Re: Other Devices

2007-05-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Casey Borders wrote: What would be the feasibility of loading the OpenMoko operating system on to another smart phone, like, say the Nokia n95. Well, one of the reasons for OpenMoko is that it is _very_ hard to bring the Linux operating system to closed hardware, i.e. without vendor support.

Re: Other Devices

2007-05-10 Thread Nicolas Bougues
On Thursday 10 May 2007 09:15:08 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: In short, if the hardware is open enough to get Linux running with all peripherals supported, then the upper layers are no problem (except minor touches to accomodate for display resolution, different GSM modem, buttons, LEDs,

Re: Other Devices

2007-05-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Nicolas Bougues wrote: On Thursday 10 May 2007 09:15:08 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: In short, if the hardware is open enough to get Linux running with all peripherals supported, then the upper layers are no problem (except minor touches to accomodate for display resolution, different GSM

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). That's correct. This is going to be very cool stuff. And the Neo is definitely very high on the list of devices I want to see this running on. If I understand correctly, JavaFX Script is going to be open

Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Aloril
Small battery-powered USB charger: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973? Battery-Powered 4-Port USB Hub: http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Power-Battery-Powered-CP-H420MP/dp/B0002UQALQ I suspect above can't be used to charge, only for connecting USB

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Aloril
Sorry, accidentally sent this before I had written it: Small battery-powered USB charger: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973? Battery-Powered 4-Port USB Hub: http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Power-Battery-Powered-CP-H420MP/dp/B0002UQALQ I suspect

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Florent THIERY
Battery-Powered 4-Port USB Hub: Yes. Has already been discussed; in fact it's quite big and ugly; the dream would be the expansion back idea: some sort of battery-powered usb hub + IO extender http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Sander van Grieken wrote: I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). That's correct. This is going to be very cool stuff. And the Neo is definitely very high on the list of devices I want to see this running on. If I understand correctly, JavaFX Script

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
Sander van Grieken wrote: I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). That's correct. This is going to be very cool stuff. And the Neo is definitely very high on the list of devices I want to see this running on. If I understand correctly, JavaFX

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
Sander van Grieken wrote: I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). That's correct. This is going to be very cool stuff. And the Neo is definitely very high on the list of devices I want to see this running on. If I understand correctly, JavaFX

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Frank Coenen
On 5/10/07, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Small battery-powered USB charger: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973? No it won't be able to charge the Neo1973, since it doesn't identify itself as a USB2.0 host. Hence, the Neo will only draw

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Ian Stirling
Frank Coenen wrote: On 5/10/07, *Aloril* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Small battery-powered USB charger: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973? No it won't be able to charge the Neo1973, since it doesn't

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Sander van Grieken wrote: Sander van Grieken wrote: I think (hope?) it is the new appearance of Savaje platform (+ JavaFX scripting). That's correct. This is going to be very cool stuff. And the Neo is definitely very high on the list of devices I want to see this running on. If I understand

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Frank Coenen
Somehow that doesn't sound right to me. Like in the movies, when they try to hack a computer: there is always some OVERWRITE command, that doesn't require a password but will grand you access to all the files. Same applies here. Why put a safety-measure in place if you plan to ignore it anyway?

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Jim Thompson
I know its bad form to respond to one's own posting, but watch the end of the 'webcast' around the 15:00 mark, just after McNealy gets up to talk about Curriki, and then compares Rich Green to Jobs, where Jonathan Schwartz turns to ask Rich Green: JS: Rich, how would you feel about someone

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Ian Stirling
Frank Coenen wrote: Somehow that doesn't sound right to me. Like in the movies, when they try to hack a computer: there is always some OVERWRITE command, that doesn't require a password but will grand you access to all the files. Same applies here. Why put a safety-measure in place if you

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Frank Coenen writes: On 5/10/07, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Small battery-powered USB charger: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973? No it won't be able to charge the Neo1973, since it doesn't identify itself as a USB2.0 host. Hence,

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ian Stirling writes: Unless you apply the soon-to-be-created patch that someone (maybe me) will write that draws 500mA anyway, if the host does not talk USB1 to us in 10 seconds. Maybe even with a confirmation dialog box. But a USB 2.0 host will talk 1.1 quite happily...

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Sander van Grieken
Does this mean there will be non-open sourced parts in the stack necessary to use JavaFX Script? Sun has already said that JavaFX Mobile (the stuff you need for the phone) will be GPLed. So.. no. Well, this is not exactly true. Sun indeed said explicitly that JavaFX-Script will be GPLd,

TaskManager is one ugly piece of... UI

2007-05-10 Thread Brad Midgley
Hey After spending a day or so working over my P1, I have to ask if the TaskManager is slated for removal or improvement. It is the single worst component of user interface on the whole device... - switching apps on every other platform is a single click on the task name - selecting the

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Steven Milburn
btw: That's only works if the port you connect to allows high power devices. Most laptops have only one physical port which will let you enumerate as a high power device, and sometimes even that port only allows it when you're plugged in. So, hopefully the phone will be able to attempt

Re: Battery powered charging/USB hub

2007-05-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Steven Milburn writes: btw: That's only works if the port you connect to allows high power devices. Most laptops have only one physical port which will let you enumerate as a high power device, and sometimes even that port only allows it when you're plugged in. So, hopefully the phone will be

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded
Shawn, I have been very involved in this area at Sun now for a couple of years. Let me add come comments: Hardware accelerated Java is actually fairly common already, at least in the Java ME space using ARM's Jazelle technology. It does have some benefits in very constrained platforms but in

firefox for mobiles

2007-05-10 Thread michael
yowza! Looks like our favorite Web browser is about to go mobile. Mozilla head honcho, Mitchell Baker, told the folks at APC magazine that Mozilla is working on a Firefox to go for your cellphone. It's a long-term project (meaning it's not coming out any time

Re: TaskManager is one ugly piece of... UI

2007-05-10 Thread Brad Midgley
Jon 2. Make the lower-left-corner button bring up a popup menu with each application listed and an X after each name if you wanted to close it. Brad, this is still at the development stages, so it is really up to us to fix it. Could you please contribute some code, mockups, etc, to help

Re: Sun JavaFx

2007-05-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded wrote: Shawn, I have been very involved in this area at Sun now for a couple of years. Let me add come comments: Hardware accelerated Java is actually fairly common already, at least in the Java ME space using ARM's Jazelle technology. It does

Re: TaskManager is one ugly piece of... UI

2007-05-10 Thread Jon Phillips
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 18:22 -0600, Brad Midgley wrote: Jon 2. Make the lower-left-corner button bring up a popup menu with each application listed and an X after each name if you wanted to close it. Brad, this is still at the

Re: firefox for mobiles

2007-05-10 Thread David Ford
If it's anything like mozilla/firefox now, we're gonna need a hefty battery, hugely more cpu, and about 1G of ram onboard. I used to love FF, now it's just a cpu/ram hog that usually gets killed by the kernel every 36-48 hours for taking about 2G of ram. The mozilla team needs to figure out how