Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-28 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:24:45 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally, ephemeris satellite data is downloaded at 50 bps from the satellites, but only when the signal strength is above about -142 dBm. Live ephemeris data is good for about 2 hours. With a data connection (I use a

Re: Myth Busting FTW

2007-09-28 Thread Richard Franks
On 8/31/07, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Where on any official blogs/websites have you seen the OpenMoko team or FIC say that they were making an iPhone killer or anti-iPhone? It looks like Apple have beaten FIC to the punch anyway:

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-28 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:39:43 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, the cell operators won't gladly share this data with anybody, but there's still something that could be done: the phone could learn the CellID - area association and use it later (if we are registered at some cell

HW difference between 2nd generation Neo1973 and mass market release

2007-09-28 Thread Gianni Costanzi
Hi people, I would like to know if there will be any HW differences between the 2nd generation Neo1973 that will be released in October (hopefully) and what is called mass-marked version... will it be only a SW difference (i.e. just a matter of upgrading the SW on the october version)? What will

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders

RE: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-28 Thread Ken Yale
Hello, Good questons. See comments below. Ken -Original Message- From: Alexey Feldgendler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 9/28/2007 12:57 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: gpsd and AGPS On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:24:45 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Unified PIM

2007-09-28 Thread Thomas Wood
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:49 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and look at my contacts or maybe even

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Rod Whitby
Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to test various

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders to get some idea of what

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Christ van Willegen
On 9/28/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello OpenMoko community, Hello Michael! We have spent some time getting briefed by the OpenMoko staff in Taiwan, and here is our first update: Thanks for the update! GTA02: Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Rod Whitby wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to

Re: Update from OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Mike Montour
Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to test various

RE: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-28 Thread Ken Yale
Hello Alexey, You have 4 great ideas to discard or supplement the location cache: 1) CellID database inside the phone. 2) Power-on after a long timeout with a prompt to discard location. 3) Flight mode with no destination typing. 4) Change cell network. Each of these sparks additional ideas

Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Ian Darwin
BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 28 Sep 2007, at 14:12, Ian Darwin wrote: BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm With 40% of phone call money going to Apple then can you blame them? it will ruin their business model. Not that it's an expensive phone

Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)

2007-09-28 Thread Martin Thierer
now THAT's a cool idea... I'd been trying to figure out how to get HR data over bluetooth... but the only hardware for that I could find was a full ekg setup... while it would be cool to have that depth of information, it goes way beyond what I really need, or want to pay for. It also removes

Re: Hardiness of the Neo1973?

2007-09-28 Thread William Voorhees
It's Bus powered, low drain though, info sheet says 50mA/h. -Will On 9/28/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/28/07, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also very interested in developing a Sports/Exercise style application for the openmoko. I'm an avid cyclist and

Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)

2007-09-28 Thread Martin Thierer
According to garmin's site, they use ANT Oops, too bad. Don't know why I didn't see this when I was checking last time... Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)

2007-09-28 Thread William Voorhees
Hence why I'd look at the Suunto PC Pod as an interface to all the ANT equipment, It speaks regular ANT ( http://thisisant.com/index.php?module=resourcesmodule[EMAIL PROTECTED]int=action=viewid=41) over the virtual serial port '/dev/ttyUSB0' using the cp2102 usb-serial driver. There is some

Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)

2007-09-28 Thread Jeff Andros
On 9/28/07, Martin Thierer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list with access to such a device who could check? Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Jeremy G
While we're on the topic, check out the recent Gizmodo iPhone re-review: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont-buy-302075.php There's some serious dis-satisfaction brewing among the iPhone geek community. J. On 9/28/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 28 Sep 2007, at 22:03, Jeremy G wrote: While we're on the topic, check out the recent Gizmodo iPhone re- review: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-re+reviewed-verdict-dont- buy-302075.php There's some serious dis-satisfaction brewing among the iPhone geek community. J.

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Mike
Giles Jones wrote: That's the problem, Apple doesn't want anyone to play around with their product. They're really moving towards the console market where the manufacturer thinks they own your product even though you paid them for it. It will backfire, Apple will wonder why they are

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 28 Sep 2007, at 23:39, Mike wrote: Yea, and then they'll just open it up. Problem solved. Flick of a switch, a firmware upgrade at most. Depends how big the negative reaction is. Apple rather wishes they didn't have to let people write software for the Mac. They would sooner

RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very true, BUT... and this is a big but FIC or some other smart manufacturer has to clone the iPhone's form factor details and performance points. I have lived with my iPhone now for a few weeks and I simply LOVE it. I bought TWO more for my wife and daughter. Yes, the software IS a

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. In any case, the neo isn't

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 29 Sep 2007, at 00:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true, BUT... and this is a big but FIC or some other smart manufacturer has to clone the iPhone's form factor details and performance points. I have lived with my iPhone now for a few weeks and I simply LOVE it. I bought

RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
That's not what he meant and you know it. He meant more useable space on the screen. The easier the phone is to use the better. Although halting work on the GTA02 is completely ludicrous. Qtopia found a great way to utilize the space as does OM2007.2. Only thing they need to figure out is

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Mike
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: That's not what he meant and you know it. He meant more useable space on the screen. More pixels == more usable space on the screen. (?) A screen with less pixels has less usable space on the screen. Even if it's diagonal size is bigger.

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Pius A. Uzamere II
IMHO, that's just the sort of sentiment that, if embraced by FIC, will guarantee that this phone is not successful. If a phone ships with a closed or otherwise flawed stack, a fix is just a firmware update away. Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linuxsmartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. No. The dimensions of the Neo's screen are smaller at 2.5 diag versus 3.5 diag. for the iPhone. Yes, the VGA resolution is impressive and superior to the iPhone, but for a touch screen interface, you must maximize the screen size to device

RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Mikko Rauhala
pe, 2007-09-28 kello 19:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. There is only about a six month window here

Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko

2007-09-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 29 Sep 2007, at 01:47, Pius A. Uzamere II wrote: Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically finished in the long term. Remember, your competitors can iterate their software faster than you can iterate your form factor once units are put into

Do anyone use bluetooth headset Neo1973?

2007-09-28 Thread root
I config bluetooth in accordance with the steps of Manually_using_Bluetooth(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth). I can scan headset(hcitool scan), but when use command sdptool browse, it unsuccessed with failed to connect to SDP server on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx: permission

Re: HW difference between 2nd generation Neo1973 and mass market release

2007-09-28 Thread Ian Stirling
Gianni Costanzi wrote: Hi people, I would like to know if there will be any HW differences between the 2nd generation Neo1973 that will be released in October (hopefully) and what is called mass-marked version... will it be only a SW difference (i.e. just a matter of upgrading the SW on the

Re: Do anyone use bluetooth headset Neo1973?

2007-09-28 Thread Brad Midgley
Richard Make sure the headset is in pairing mode. If you've used the headset with another phone, you might turn off that phone to keep things simple. btw, running sdptool records addr is another good test. Brad On 9/28/07, root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I config bluetooth in accordance with