Remember this varies with national legislation. In the UK there is AFAIK no 1
year grace period; public disclosure instantly renders the invention
unpatentable.
On Sunday 02 December 2007, Clayton Jones wrote:
Just a quick note based on all the patent research i've done:
Any disclosure in a
Peter Rasmussen wrote:
I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I
enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct.
This sounds like
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028
Could you please try to
a) submit the PIN once
b) press cancel for
I think the largest issue with a motion sensing algorithm would be human
reproducibility. I feel the precision of our movement ability is less than
the precision of the device/possible code. If the code is only designed to
pick up direction and not magnitude, then reliability (of valid person
ok-for hardware and software concerns, how can we donate an idea to the
public, to guarantee the inability of someone patenting the idea?
Something above just mentioning it on a public/mediated ml.
In addition, could you publicly state your idea to timestamp it for
patenting?
-Kyle
On Dec 3,
Of course, the code has to take that in account : make orthogonal
projections with smooth tolerance... no problem doing that. There is a
usb device to control the view in games called Track-IR, and there is
no problem to accomodate with 3D positioning and move... so I am sure
to have no problem
Not Openmoko related but check out this Nokia N series YouTube
commercial.
http://www.webanalyticsbook.com/archives/1096
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
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+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
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For a proper answer you'll have to ask a patent lawyer in your jurisdiction.
The rules change from country to country, and are possibly much more nuanced
than a non-lawyer will remember. There's a fine example on Groklaw where a US
patent lawyer explains the various cutoff dates which may or
um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of
Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it
has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments
are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that
Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to
things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is
shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on these
Peter Rasmussen wrote:
I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it
seems to be the same.
Thanks for confirming!
A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile
service provider appearing.
I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the
As I understand it this part of the thread has wandered OT onto the
generalities of public disclosure and its effect on patentability. There has
been no suggestion that anyone should knowingly try to patent somebody else's
idea. The shake-to-pair video is credited to Rene Mayrhofer and Hans
On Dec 3, 2007 12:02 PM, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to
things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is
shaking,
sorry, missed some of the topic shift, but again, there's that youtube video
posted previously showing something extremely similar
It's also interesting that this could work more like a pre-shared key... we
don't have to use asynchronous crypto since both devices could generate the
same key off
Exactly, Jeff didn't read the actual email (or doesn't understand
Patents).
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1-212-203-4357
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
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For those of us talking in the need someone to develop this thread, we
should move further discussion here.
-Kyle
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On Dec 1, 2007 4:35 AM, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique
On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be
to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration
pattern to the other. One could even exchange data that way at very very low
Oh yeah, you could totally do it in morse code, which would be faster then
if you actually sent bits represented by vibrations.
On Dec 3, 2007 11:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 1, 2007 4:35 AM, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh
what a great way to:
a-learn morse code
b-bring it back in style!
-Kyle
On Dec 3, 2007 1:01 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh yeah, you could totally do it in morse code, which would be faster then
if you actually sent bits represented by vibrations.
On Dec 3, 2007 11:51 AM,
On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote:
Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in
a current phone use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w
I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your
g/f might have a different timbre from
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be
to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration
pattern to the other. One could even exchange data
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation
could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one
phone send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even
exchange data that way at very very low speeds... B)
This is really a great idea. I'm positive we
Jay Vaughan wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation
could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone
send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even exchange data
that way at very very low speeds... B)
This is really a great
Although the disclosure itself in a trackable dated message forum would
seem to prove pretty conclusivly that AT THAT TIME anyway you had the
idea.
So it dates the idea
As to whether or not it is public well that perhaps depends perhaps on
the exclusivity of the forum.
Additionally there
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Stroller wrote:
On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote:
Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current
phone use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w
I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your
Hi Ian,
Could you define direct? Thanks, just curious how you powered the module
by itself.
-Kyle
On Dec 3, 2007 4:06 PM, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erland Lewin wrote:
Hello Speedevil (copying the neo1973-hardware list),
I saw that you edited the numbers for the Neo1973
On Dec 3, 2007 3:35 PM, Daniel Barkalow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You obviously choose the application you want by tilting the screen so the
marble rolls through the maze to the application's icon.
Hey, this is actually very doable. Check out this video of the nokmote which
uses the Nokia
I'm a bit surprised about the volume of patent discussion I generated
but in 20/20 hindsight I should have seen it coming.
Please, let's move legalese discussions over to another thread/topic:
[topic-shift] copyrighting/copylefting/patenting hardware and software
Anyway, since I'm not an software
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, hank williams wrote:
- external sensors (cadence, heart rate) Many bicycle computers show
cadence and heartrate, based on input from external sensors. Could
something like that be done with the Neo?
I am a cyclist and these inputs would be critical for me. All
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