Re: openmoko banner

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
We don't yet but we'll look into it. Sounds like a good idea. Michael Javi Roman wrote: Hi all, I wonder if OpenMoko has a banner advertisement (web banner, animated gif, ...) to promote in personal web sites. -Javi ___ OpenMoko community

Re: OpenMoko at Southern California Linux Expo: Come visit, or better, volunteer to help us at our booth for free admittance

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
:-) Someday there will be a conference in Ohio :-) I'll look forward to meeting you there or elswhere, Christopher. Michael Christopher Earl wrote: Michael,. I swaer to god I would be there if i didnt live in Ohio, you get me to LA and ill go LOL Michael Shiloh [EMAIL

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Tore Dalaker
Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker Rosenkrantzvegen 19 N-4353 Klepp Stasjon +4798024965 On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Dear Community, Some of our chips or chipsets contain proprietary firmware in flash memory. For example, in GTA02 these include the Wi-Fi, GPS, and

Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-) Date: gio 07 feb 08 11:30:53 -0800 Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Yes, Koolu is a distributor. mmm. They offer pre-order and quote a price of US$399. Available to developers this March. And

Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)

2008-02-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 08.02.2008 um 08:30 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Yes, Koolu is a distributor. Michael I thought that there are no distributors defined yet except the one in Germany mentioned recently? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Lally Singh
On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black- box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the firmware is buggy and the vendor needs the ability to update the firmware, we instead ask

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA. If you find any place on the wiki that says

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Jonathan Spooner
So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court? Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a bad word to say about

FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and Videos Online

2008-02-08 Thread william rockt
FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and Videos Online http://www.faqinteractive.com/ 1-866-268-5588 Images have always been useful on internet content, the first logos were mainly the name of the company with a simple drawing, then we got MS Paint, where people could make their own images, that was

Re: ***SPAM*** (was : Re: FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and VideosOnline)

2008-02-08 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:32:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup. I already brought it to the attention of our list superuser, who will remove this spammer. Michael good, note that I just replied it to inform others to not read it, to save time ;) -- Steven Le Roux

Re: ***SPAM*** (was : Re: FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and Videos Online)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Yup. I already brought it to the attention of our list superuser, who will remove this spammer. Michael Steven Le Roux wrote: Just for the record... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: OpenMoko at Southern California Linux Expo: Come visit, or better, volunteer to help us at our booth for free admittance

2008-02-08 Thread Christopher Earl
I was wondering if OM wanted to try and set up something for HOPE(Hackers On Planet Earth) in July, I am going and would be happy to help. Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/08/08 3:08 AM :-) Someday there will be a conference in Ohio :-) I'll look forward to meeting you there or elswhere,

***SPAM*** (was : Re: FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and Videos Online)

2008-02-08 Thread Steven Le Roux
Just for the record... -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: openmoko banner

2008-02-08 Thread Sander van Grieken
We don't yet but we'll look into it. Sounds like a good idea. Maybe it's also a good idea to update the neo1973 images on the various openmoko pages (especially the Products page) with the new (2007.2) user interface. IMHO that looks much better. Michael Javi Roman wrote: Hi all, I

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Sander van Grieken
I think that we all agree here that the patent system is completely broken. By filling patent, even for defense only, you are playing the rule. What I've seen so far is that small companies that cannot afford a lawyer department simply choose to ignore the rules and just ignore completely

GTA01 sound

2008-02-08 Thread Christopher Earl
anyone know where I can cut the Microphone Gain? If its in the alsamixer whats the label?? Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/08/08 10:11 AM Jonathan Spooner writes: So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court?

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Christopher Earl
I think he had the right intentions about this idea, however it would require vast CPU resources or a coprocessor dedicated to firware/driver layer managment. This is unlikley to happen, However trying to unlock the virtual lips of companies would be a huge step forward. Not to play devils

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Esra Kummer wrote: This sounds like a great idea. I think what you mean is that if a competitor sues OpenMoko for allegedly infringing its patent, then OpenMoko can counter-sue saying BTW you are infringing this one of ours too and then it gets settled out-of-court by cross-licensing, right?

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Jonathan Spooner writes: So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court? Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Andres Paglayan wrote: what about posting this exact question at groklaw? Oh yes. That would work well...I'll make a post later today. Looks like they already picked this up... [PJ: Yes. Contact Open Invention Network and Software Freedom Law Center. Every patent

Any users in Hong Kong?

2008-02-08 Thread dda
Hi, The reason I ask is that my Neo1973's GPS can't get a fix, at all, and I was wondering whether the problem was location-related -- or just plain bad karma... Thanks. -- Didier ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 08 February 2008 08:46, Lally Singh wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black- box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the firmware is buggy and the vendor

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Simon Matthews
Due to regulatory requirements over wireless frequencies, power and modulation i can't see it being possible for the low level software that controls the RF transmitters being Open Source. Moving the software that modulates the transmitted RF and demodulates the received RF onto the user space

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Friday 08 February 2008 17:29:36 Steven ** wrote: Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. Almost. Unfortunately the Bl-5C has only 850mAh and for some reason the Neo doesn't charge it. A DT-14 help for the latter.

Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds

2008-02-08 Thread JW
Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Beside of some suggestions you made, a similar webpage already exist: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List Have fun improving it :) cheers - homyx hi peter yes i was already aware of this page - i am already in the list!

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 10:29 -0600, Steven ** wrote: Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a long time ago. The Nokia batteries are AFAIK not a drop-in replacement. According to

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Andres Paglayan wrote: what about posting this exact question at groklaw? Oh yes. That would work well...I'll make a post later today. Sean On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this

Re: Input Method Development

2008-02-08 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
this uim has an embedded scheme interpreter... I don't like that too much for an embedded device... hmm, I have no idea: is it big, slow? It's apparently used on Linux Zaurus. We could adapt the openmoko soft keyboard to interface with uim, and if the API is well designed, the IM module

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread enaut
Christopher Earl schrieb: I think he had the right intentions about this idea, however it would require vast CPU resources or a coprocessor dedicated to firware/driver layer managment. This is unlikley to happen, However trying to unlock the virtual lips of companies would be a huge step

Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)

2008-02-08 Thread Nick Guenther
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned: 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is no final capacity or feature set determined yet. 2. The capacity will most likely be

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread joerg
I like the idea of having total control over my electronic devices - especially if they are able to collect everything about my life like a mobile phone. Thats why I'm currently living without any mobil. If I am able to look into what runs on my device, I can trust that stuff. so I'm one

Re: proprietary firmware

2008-02-08 Thread Alexandre Ghisoli
Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for sharing this with the community. Le vendredi 08 février 2008 à 09:32 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul a écrit : Then we ran into problems when bugs were found in the firmware, and we wanted to update handsets out in the field. The vendors would give us firmware updates and

Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds

2008-02-08 Thread Peter Trapp
On Freitag, 8. Februar 2008, JW wrote: [snip] So now I think we should apply this to helping team OpenMoko to decide how many FreeRunner's they should manufacture in their first run *based on how many people they think will buy a Freerunner in the first two months from launch*. Rather than

OpenMoko at SCALE

2008-02-08 Thread Patrick Davila
Sadly I can't attend. Maybe next year. We had the SCALE guys on TLLTS 2 weeks ago. Everyone I talk to who's attended it in the past love it. Have fun guys! I was wondering if OM wanted to try and set up something for HOPE(Hackers on Planet Earth) in July I second that request. I'll definitely

Re: Any users in Hong Kong?

2008-02-08 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Hong Kong appears to have decent DOP, as reported on the US Air Force GPS map http://gps.afspc.af.mil/gpsoc/performance_reports.aspx Are you trying indoors or while surrounded by many tall buildings? That would seriously degrade the GPS signal. dda wrote: Hi, The reason I ask is that my

Re: Patents and OpenMoko

2008-02-08 Thread joerg
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: of the case CAD files is not software (per say). In the future you will see a lot more. We don't believe software is only place people need openness. So does this mean we will eventually see the circuit diagrams (and even PCB layouts??), so we

Re: Mono audio output on GTA02?

2008-02-08 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 08 February 2008, Ben Burdette wrote: I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking (to me) like mono only output. According to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the stereo

Re: Mono audio output on GTA02?

2008-02-08 Thread joerg
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Ben Burdette: I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking (to me) like mono only output. According to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the stereo