Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-08 Thread Michele Renda
In Italy there is an operator that give GPRS / UMTS / HSDPA with the same tariff: 500 Megabyte/Month - 20 Eur (after the first renew it become 1 Gbyte, and you can renew it more time in a month) It is not too expensive, for who do't have a broadband connection, because here a bb connection

Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737

2008-04-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
To all those who are frustrated. First of all, please note the recent message from Steve that the Freerunner is already in production rampup (PVT), i.e. the hardware engineering phase is finished. Usually this means just weeks and no longer months until sales can start. But taking your

Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737

2008-04-08 Thread Kevin Zuber
Hi, You really should host your pictures on your own server and not include it out of a forum. (e.g. picture http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attachtype=postid=5358 is used in http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20380 ) So users have to register in that forum to see the

Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737

2008-04-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Ooops... Must have been done while having some blackout... Am 08.04.2008 um 09:27 schrieb Kevin Zuber: Hi, You really should host your pictures on your own server and not include it out of a forum. (e.g. picture http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attachtype=postid=5358 is used in

Re: Speeding up browsing and lightening the traffic load

2008-04-08 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Monday 07 April 2008 12:13:17 Mikko Rauhala wrote: ma, 2008-04-07 kello 11:24 +0200, Erland Lewin kirjoitti: IMHO, the Opera Mini design (compressing and optimizing web pages before sending them to the phone) is excellent, because it saves traffic (=money) and speeds up loading. I'm

Re: Speeding up browsing and lightening the traffic load

2008-04-08 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On ti, 2008-04-08 at 11:30 +0200, Sander van Grieken wrote: Over the last weekend, I've been working a bit on a prototype proxy doing streaming html/xml diffs (dubbed mldiffs) based on a shared cache, largely as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy improvement: it

Re: Speeding up browsing and lightening the traffic load

2008-04-08 Thread joerg
Am Di 8. April 2008 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: On ti, 2008-04-08 at 11:30 +0200, Sander van Grieken wrote: Over the last weekend, I've been working a bit on a prototype proxy doing streaming html/xml diffs (dubbed mldiffs) based on a shared cache, largely as described here:

Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Dan Staley
Does anyone know if it is legal (in the standard TOS) with providers (such as ATnT) to send data over a normal phone call? I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I wanted to, I could just have

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Matt Manjos
I don't know about specific cases, but I think that cell phone companies are more concerned about people using VOIP over data over gsm voice calls. There was talk earlier about writing a fax program that uses incoming calls to receive faxes, and that GSM couldn't transmit decent faxes because of

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On ti, 2008-04-08 at 10:22 -0400, Dan Staley wrote: I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I wanted to, I could just have my phone call my computer and transfer data over the line. There has

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On ti, 2008-04-08 at 10:22 -0400, Dan Staley wrote: | I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain | numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I |

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote: I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in there for 1KBytes/sec Yeah, but you can't. -- Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki

Re: Hardware update

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Steven, It is my understanding that this is the intention, but I haven't yet received positive confirmation. I'll try to get an answer soon. Michael Steven Kurylo wrote: PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the next few days. A little while ago when I

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Tilman Baumann
Mikko Rauhala wrote: On ti, 2008-04-08 at 10:22 -0400, Dan Staley wrote: I have plenty of cell minutes (not to mention free calls between certain numbers...) but I dont want to pay for a data planso I figure if I wanted to, I could just have my phone call my computer and transfer data over

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Tilman Baumann
Tilman Baumann wrote: Maybe CSD is billed like a voice call. I never used it, but i don't remember any special charges for that. I dug deeper. Seems like this is true. But this raises the question if the Neo can do CSD. Probably it does, since the GSM module does not appear to be somehow

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On ti, 2008-04-08 at 17:16 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Maybe CSD is billed like a voice call. I never used it, but i don't remember any special charges for that. Doubtful for the US drop your pants and bend over, please carriers' minutes; I presume the original poster was in this situation

Re: Hardware update

2008-04-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
All 850 and 900 Mhz versions are being produced at the same time. -Sean Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Steven, It is my understanding that this is the intention, but I haven't yet received positive confirmation. I'll try to get an answer soon. Michael Steven Kurylo wrote: PVT testing is

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote: | I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded | GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in there for 1KBytes/sec | |

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Tilman Baumann
Mikko Rauhala wrote: A quick glance finds mostly mentions of 1st gen analog mobiles having been used with modems, and notably At the same time, the speech oriented audio compression used in GSM actually meant that data rates using a traditional modem connected to the phone would have been even

Re: Product Update

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/7/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I explained a while back we had a few milestones to hit before beginning mass production. The First was DVT. Building phones and verifying the design. That's been completed and so we have Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for

Re: Loosing your moko

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can find 24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help the police find it back. Of course,

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-08 Thread Justyn Butler
In the time since Openmoko originally announced it's phone without 3G support and now, as the Freerunner is approaching release, it has become more of an issue that it does not have 3G (how much of an issue we can debate, certainly). So please, *please* bear in mind that when talking about the

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I will stick to links and go via my proxy server, to remove the spam:) But I know people have different needs. I think we should not say one option is the only correct one. I would love to see both links and more advanced browsers being supported over time. -- Please don't send me Word or

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-08 Thread Antoine Reid
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys It shouldn't be treated like an either-or for wifi and 3g. The phone should have both. [...] Everyone. I have to agree with Brad here. Wifi has other uses too! I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants/needs the

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Diego Fdez . Durán
On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Andy Green writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote: | I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded | GSM

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Diego Fdez. Durán writes: On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Andy Green writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote: | I think you're right, but just a thought if you could

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/8/08, Antoine Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys It shouldn't be treated like an either-or for wifi and 3g. The phone should have both. [...] Everyone. I have to agree with Brad here. Wifi has other uses

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-08 Thread christooss
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen said: I will stick to links and go via my proxy server, to remove the spam:) But I know people have different needs. I think we should not say one option is the only correct one. I would love to see both links and more advanced browsers being supported over time.

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread joerg
Am Di 8. April 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: Tilman Baumann wrote: Maybe CSD is billed like a voice call. I never used it, but i don't remember any special charges for that. I dug deeper. Seems like this is true. But this raises the question if the Neo can do CSD. Probably it does,

RE: Loosing your moko

2008-04-08 Thread McCreery, Lee CTR DISA
Just my 2C. I have been following this thread for some time. I think the idea is GREAT...Knowing I have phones somewhere, 2 in the US, 1 in Germany and I think one in the UK. What if we start it out simple? Each device owner can choose to register their MAC, modem serial number or other

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/8/08, christooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen said: I will stick to links and go via my proxy server, to remove the spam:) But I know people have different needs. I think we should not say one option is the only correct one. I would love to see both links and

Re: Web Browser?

2008-04-08 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Also, remember to set: # TAG: redirect_program redirect_program /usr/bin/squidGuard and to filter flash (I forgot), you can create a rule like this: acl annoying3 url_regex \.flv \.swf and use the rule: http_access deny annoying3 -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See

RE: Hardware update

2008-04-08 Thread steve
The FreeRunner uses a 500 Mhz CPU. The board design is rated to 400 Mhz. So, if people check CPU processing specs they will see 500MHz. Operationally, we limit it to 400 Mhz. For a varety of reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: Data over normal GSM call

2008-04-08 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Diego Fdez. Durán writes: | On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: | Andy Green writes: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | On ti,

CAD file

2008-04-08 Thread christooss
I have downloaded SolidWorks package from the page. The problem I see is all files have .1 on the end of a name. Example gtc02-msh01.prt.1 Is this my problem or packaging problem? Tnx for anwser ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Arvidson
I whip out my A780 and browse the net/read e-mail/update remote todo lists/ssh into my home network nearly everywhere I go. I use my phone's EDGE capabilities while riding across Texas to the next family event. I use it to check my personal e-mail during downtimes at work (restrictions against

Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-08 Thread Dale Schumacher
I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page. When I try the command: sudo apt-get install gcc g++ autoconf automake binutils libtools ... I get this error message: *Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by

Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-08 Thread Robin Paulson
i'm not on an ubuntu box now, but try automake1.9 instead of automake, i think that's the newest version 2008/4/9 Dale Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu 7.10 and am trying to follow the instructions from the Toolchain wiki page. When I try the command:

Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-08 Thread Stefanie Tellex
apt-cache search autoconf will show possible packages that contain the string autoconf. apt-cache show packagename will give you a description of the package. Stefanie Robin Paulson wrote: i'm not on an ubuntu box now, but try automake1.9 instead of automake, i think that's the newest

Re: CAD file

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Schneider
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:21 PM, christooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded SolidWorks package from the page. The problem I see is all files have .1 on the end of a name. Example gtc02-msh01.prt.1 Is this my problem or packaging problem? Tnx for anwser As the file name

Re: Toolchain on Ubuntu 7.10

2008-04-08 Thread Frederik Sdun
Hi, have you changed your repositories and reload the paket list? you might remove the cdrom and add at least the main repository in settings-Repositiories and click on the upper left reload button. if you have still problems ask in your local IRC channel on irc.freenode.net. regards, frederik