Re: activating bluetooth via script on GTA02

2008-05-15 Thread Kai Römer
Thanks a lot. So this does the trick: echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset hciconfig 2008/5/14 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release

2008-05-15 Thread Søren Kristiansen
Probably http://quickstart.openmoko.com/ :-) 2008/5/15 Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 0n Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:53:13PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since I was a young wannabe I like to read manuals, I allways remember my first full specification readding at 13 years

Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release

2008-05-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hi Alex, if I understand you question (my english has margin to be improved ;) ) the manual is at http://quickstart.openmoko.org not completed yet but interesting reading Regards --- Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: 0n Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:53:13PM +0200, David Samblas

OpenMoko codebases with Linux Cross Reference (LXR)

2008-05-15 Thread Nicholas A. Bellinger
Greetings all, I wonder if it would be useful for devel purposes to have the OM sourcetree imported into LXR (http://lxr.linux.no/) so folks can have an quick method to access code via HTTP, which I have personally found to be much quicker than trying to large trees of C, espically better than

Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release

2008-05-15 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 15 May 2008 02:34, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender

Re: OpenMoko codebases with Linux Cross Reference (LXR)

2008-05-15 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Greetings all, | | I wonder if it would be useful for devel purposes to have the OM | sourcetree imported into LXR (http://lxr.linux.no/) so folks can have an | quick method to access code via HTTP, which

Re: OpenMoko/iSCSI Initiator builds available for v2.6.24

2008-05-15 Thread Nicholas A. Bellinger
Hi again folks, Other screenshot.. :-) http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/Image:ISCSI-WiFI-FBdev-Landscape.png Many thanks to the very gracious folks for helping me wrt mplayer (and other general questions) in #openmoko on irc.freenode.net. If you are within reach of an IRC client, and are ready

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind --- Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I was wondering about that too. Personally I would rather

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Tim Shannon
Hm, this is all new to me. Has anyone tried grabbing the qtopia keyboard and using it with openmoko? If the libraries are all there, it shouldn't be a problem right? On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry me if this has been said in other post,

what process for EASILY updating non-developer Freerunners

2008-05-15 Thread Ron K. Jeffries
I am not a developer, but at some point I WILL own a Freerunner. Is it too much to hope that we'll have access to something similar to how Ubuntu installations are upgraded and updated with fixes? My guess is that sort of system is not in the DNA of the core OpenMoko team. That's not a dis, it

Re: what process for EASILY updating non-developer Freerunners

2008-05-15 Thread enaut
Ron K. Jeffries schrieb: Will we have some package system a la .deb or .rpm models? As a startingpoint to read through the wiki I recomend something like that: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ipkg ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: what process for EASILY updating non-developer Freerunners

2008-05-15 Thread Steven **
There is a package manager already: ipkg. I don't know if it auto-updates. But it works perfectly fine for installing third-party apps. I built an app, packaged it, and loaded it onto my virtual Neo (under qemu) easily with the developer's framework. -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM,

Re: Marble Maze

2008-05-15 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: I was figuring something like that since long time... I hoped to play with Neverball and accelerometers, but unfortunately we won't have 3d soon :/. Perhaps it is easier to port enigma. That is a very nice game too

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread Mo Abrahams
I am pretty certain there is no chance of an entirely new toolkit being developed for openmoko as a replacement for existing toolkits, it would defeat the purpose a little bit, and if a new toolkit was to be developed just for this, it would not be proprietary. Openmoko is opensource. On Thu,

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread Tilman Baumann
Edward Falk wrote: I really liked using GTK to develop -- it meant I could write my code on a workstation with the intent of porting it to Moko later, and also with the possibility of writing a workstation version of the same app. So what are supposed to program in now? Is GTK actually going

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and python hooks for gtk are slightly cleaner and easier than working with qt. So

Re: what process for EASILY updating non-developer Freerunners

2008-05-15 Thread Gerald A
On 5/15/08, Lasse Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:22:51 -0700 Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it too much to hope that we'll have access to something similar to how Ubuntu installations are upgraded and updated with fixes? There is a package manager like

RE: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread matt . mets
All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 It's pretty ugly and the physics are a little buggy, but it's a start. I will set it up on projects.openmoko.org when I get a chance. I haven't really done my due diligence in

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I think people should use what they like, but that if anything should be official, it should be GTK+.

RE: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread steve
HA, you found it. We will start to make it more public shortly. One issue is the specs we wrote a while back have been overtaken by design improvisation. For example, with diversity I wrote the spec back on October and I'll bet that the final design is a VAST improvement on the spec. In a closed

Re: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread Matt Manjos
Nice work so far. Wait till you see the mail application, where you have to drag an envelope cutter over each message to be able to read it… That made me laugh! Matt On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Michael Shiloh wrote: Have we made the decision then to officially move away from GTK? This was asked on the community list awhile ago, and IIRC there has been no official answer. Michael Sorry for coming in the middle of the thread like that. Just wanted to point something out. Moving

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 09:55 -0700, Edward Falk wrote: I really liked using GTK to develop -- it meant I could write my code on a workstation with the intent of porting it to Moko later, and also with the possibility of writing a workstation version of the same app. So what are supposed to

Searching OpenMoko Archives

2008-05-15 Thread Andrew Bruno
Thought this might be of some interest to the community. I contacted the guys over at MarkMail, a search engine for mailing list archives and they kindly loaded the OpenMoko lists. They have a slick web interface for browsing threads and some very nice advanced search functionality. Here's the

Re: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread Vinc Duran
It reminded me of the mood music in Quake III. :-) On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread Feydreva
I love the rotary dialer On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread ian douglas
Ron K. Jeffries wrote: As an Ubuntu *user* every now and then I get an alert that upgrades are available. Likewise with other major distros like Fedora -- you get an alert that upgrades are available when you login, or come back from an idle state overnight (nightly cron job I imagine). In

IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
Hey Guys, Just want to keep the community updated. I was one of the few developers who have received a freerunner (gta02) in the mail a couple days back. Since then I have been updating all my latest packages (http://bkruse.com, and the mokoiax project page), will check in my code tonight. The

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Travis Tabbal
As a future user, I'm glad to hear about progress in this area. It might get me to actually set up an Asterisk server. :) Can we really get the datastream small enough for GPRS? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal of this project is to seamlessly tie into the openmoko dialer application as a 'gateway', so that you could chose to dial out over GSM or dial out over IAX2 (wifi, possibly GPRS). If you would like to help in the

Re: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread matt . mets
Thanks everyone :-). I'm pretty sure the 'noise' is Sigur Rós. It was getting pretty late... Matt What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've

Seat in embedded Linux training session offered to a contributor

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Opdenacker
Hello, This could be useful for contributors to the OpenMoko project, especially for people who wish to learn more about the kernel and about embedded specific topics... At Free Electrons, we decided to offer a free seat in our upcoming embedded Linux training session (June 23-27, French

RE: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread steve
Thanks Brandon, we appreciate your contributions. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Kruse Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:00 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner Hey Guys, Just want

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Wright
2008/5/15 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/15/08, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as

Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API

2008-05-15 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 07:14, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API It's sorta funny, but nobody here says a word about Dash, the Freerunner's red-haired step-sister device, OEM'd from FIC as I understand things. One of the reasons might be:

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Vinc Duran
Hi Brandon, I'm an end-user for the most part. Do you think you can get the freerunner to emulate a common ip phone? I'm imagining using it with TalkSwitch or any general ip based system. Thanks On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, Just want to keep

Re: Alarmclock puzzle

2008-05-15 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 18:34, Mo Abrahams wrote: Although people will have to start setting their final alarm for ten minutes earlier than they really need to get up, to give them time to solve the really hard puzzle without making themselves late anyway. How sensitive is GPS? An alarm that

Re: Searching OpenMoko Archives

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
Very nice. Can you pop this onto the wiki? Thanks, Michael Andrew Bruno wrote: Thought this might be of some interest to the community. I contacted the guys over at MarkMail, a search engine for mailing list archives and they kindly loaded the OpenMoko lists. They have a slick web interface

Re: Searching OpenMoko Archives

2008-05-15 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2008 schrieb Andrew Bruno: Thought this might be of some interest to the community. I contacted the guys over at MarkMail, a search engine for mailing list archives and they kindly loaded the OpenMoko lists. They have a slick web interface for browsing threads and some

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Brandon, Thanks for the update. This might be the excuse I'm looking for to set up Asterisk at home. Although I tested your phone before I sent it to you. Unless I made a mistake, it worked then. What concerns me is that I do have one other phone that doesn't seem to take sound in via

Re: Seat in embedded Linux training session offered to a contributor

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Shiloh
Wow. That's very generous. I should expect someone will be able to take advantage of this. I know I've seen a couple of community members with addresses in Nice. Thanks for your support of Openmoko! Michael Michael Opdenacker wrote: Hello, This could be useful for contributors to the

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread George Brooke
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:40 -0700 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of the Freerunner though, if updates are available, we should give the user the option of upgrading everything automagically, without ever prompting them, or letting them manually update. We should disable

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread Stroller
On 15 May 2008, at 19:37, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: ... As an Ubuntu *user* every now and then I get an alert that upgrades are available. If I say yes it automagically fires up a package manager. I enter the my root password, and a few minutes later it's a done deal. Smooth, easy... for a major

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Seems that there is already a Moko-Manager project http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/openmokomanager/ I was unable to run it yet but it got screen shoots ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Ron K. Jeffries wrote: As an Ubuntu *user* every now and then I get an alert that upgrades

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Stroller
Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to. Stroller. On 15 May 2008, at 18:58, steve wrote: HA, you found it. ... Do you mean something like this [1] (flash player required)?

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Brad Pitcher
I would have to guess that he is referring to the video that requires flash: freerunner1.4.swf It looks REALLY good. Stroller wrote: Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to.

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread Mo Abrahams
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 23:48 +0100, George Brooke wrote: Also maybe doing major updates while on battery should be disabled (certainly while battery is low) just to avoid any problems (bricked phone) How about it downloads the updates whenever wifi is available (battery or not), and then (if

Re: Funny Dialer

2008-05-15 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Great work so far, keep on. Greetings Bastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: | All, | | I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: | http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 | | It's pretty ugly and the physics are a little buggy,

Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API

2008-05-15 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That's very interresting. The site sais: Dash includes maps for the United States (Continental US, Hawaii and Alaska) only. It will not work in Canada, Mexico, Europe or any location outside the United States. Since when are Canada, Mexico and

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship

Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API

2008-05-15 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/5/16 Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's very interresting. The site sais: Dash includes maps for the United States (Continental US, Hawaii and Alaska) only. It will not work in Canada, Mexico, Europe or any location outside the United States. Since when are Canada, Mexico and Europe

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: HA, you found it. Ehehe... I knew :P! I've seen that a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was just a proof of concept... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Searching OpenMoko Archives

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Andrew Bruno wrote Thought this might be of some interest to the community. I contacted the guys over at MarkMail, a search engine for mailing list archives and they kindly loaded the OpenMoko lists. They have a slick web interface for browsing threads and some very nice advanced search

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread ian douglas
Mo Abrahams wrote: How about it downloads the updates whenever wifi is available (battery or not), and then (if set to update automatically) updates once plugged in to charge, and if set to manual requires battery power to be above a certain percentage. I'd say that if GSM downloads are going

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think the user should decide, wheter the update should be done at once or later. Of cource an advise of batterystate should be done. Greetings Bastian ian douglas schrieb: | Mo Abrahams wrote: | How about it downloads the updates whenever wifi

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
Yes, The iaxclient library I am implementing it in supports very very low bandwidth protocols. I have made a call of GPRS before, the only thing is the latency, but it's somewhat useable still. I have worked on the GUI for Digium, so go here and install asterisk + the asteriskGUI (AsteriskNOW

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
Great! Basically, when the source can be built into an ipkg pretty easily. I want someone to test the testcall application I ported to see about audio quality, controls, etc. -bk On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Brandon

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
Encouragement is always helpful :) On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Brandon, we appreciate your contributions. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Kruse *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brandon, I'm an end-user for the most part. Do you think you can get the freerunner to emulate a common ip phone? I'm imagining using it with TalkSwitch or any general ip based system. Thanks On Thu, May 15, 2008 at

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Brandon Kruse
I will do Michael. That could have been the problem with my 1973 prototype, so thank you for keeping me updated. I am hoping to have the packages rebuilt by Friday and start the overall integration, at least giving the end user a simple console application to start testing :) I passed a call

Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner

2008-05-15 Thread Vinc Duran
Thanks Brian, That sounds very cool. I was wondering how that would work. I'm very excited to see how it all works out. V On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brandon, I'm an end-user

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:55:40 -0700 Edward Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I really liked using GTK to develop -- it meant I could write my code on a workstation with the intent of porting it to Moko later, and also with the possibility of writing a workstation version of the same app. So

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:59 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:58:48 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Michael Shiloh wrote: Have we made the decision then to officially move away from GTK? This was asked on the community list awhile ago, and IIRC there has been no official answer. Michael Sorry for coming

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:15 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:23 +0200 (CEST) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind please

Re: Newbee wants to kick start - encrypted calls

2008-05-15 Thread Kevin
Could it be possible to make tones with Make your own Mein Fraulein station kit to use for encryption? http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/08/05/phone-numbers-stations-mystery-revealed-at-defcon/ On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crane, Matthew wrote: Not

Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Hogan
Hi all, Just wondering if anyone knows how much the bonus pouch/headsets being offered with the bulk orders would cost if purchased separately? The Sydney group are looking into the (huge) customs costs, and it looks like it might actually work out cheaper if we ditch the bulk order and just

Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread ian douglas
If it's included in the bulk order, do you *need* to declare an extra value? Chris Hogan wrote: Just wondering if anyone knows how much the bonus pouch/headsets being offered with the bulk orders would cost if purchased separately? The Sydney group are looking into the (huge) customs costs

Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread Neil Davey
It's not so much the declaration.. It's more the fact that the whole shipment will be over a certain value (I think $1000?).. Here is oz if it's above a certain value you have to pay GST (extra 10%), plus I think a customs duty as well... which just sucks big time.. To answer Chris's

Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer

2008-05-15 Thread Kosa
That's something I thought some time ago, but it was not possible 'couse there are too many possible hardware combinations. But we don't have that on the Freerunner. It would be nice to add to the description of every package, app or update the time it take to install it. I mean, we can

Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread ian douglas
Steve has already mentioned on the list that they don't intend to sell pouches or headsets as individual items, and that they're only available as part of a bulk order -- included at no extra cost as part of the bulk order, which to me means no extra value. -id Neil Davey wrote: It's not so

Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Hogan
Hi all, Yeah, with or without extras the customs cost will be the same... and it works out (I think) at about $425 per phone - higher than the cost of an individual order (which falls below the $1000 threshold and so doesn't attract customs charges). So the only 'savings' we're getting are

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?

2008-05-15 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:58:48 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I will do my best to show you more respect than you have obviously shown me. No promises. indeed. but most of the world does use languages that for display purposes are 1

Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Hogan
True - I hadn't yet read Ian's reply when I wrote that :-). On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:19:59 pm Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Fri, May 16, 2008 at 03:17:28PM +1000, Chris Hogan wrote: So the only 'savings' we're getting are the extras packed in with the bulk orders. If they're only worth

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread cedric cellier
as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship on the device. choose the toolkit