> And how many people have responded to this shutdown plan by taking a
> vow to live without any cellphone at all instead of accepting 3G/4G
> when such shutdown happens?
Why would someone do that? I mean this as a real technical question:
what is the difference between 2G and 3G which would
but still very different from the the goals of Free Software.
Are they very different?
As long as this FreeCalypso code stays very obscure and marginal, in
practice the difference might not matter that much.
I think what you're saying is that from an Open Source point of view,
his effort is
Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that
offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the
four freedoms.
FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those
freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and
are you using your FR because it's free or because it's a smartphone?
I don't really use my FR for the following reasons:
- I don't use its phone part because it's not Free (I guess by now
I could try to use your firmware to fix that part) and because I don't
like the idea of being actively
Upgrade? Surely you must have meant downgrade - why would anyone in
There are tradeoffs everywhere. I think that having a 100% free
firmware for the cell-phone part is really great. Having an up to date
smartphone that runs Free Software is also great.
I see no reason why one project should
There are numerous threads on Reddit that explain very well why this is not
feasible [1,2,many]
This is bogus. It is feasible. Just not quite in the way those people
ask for it. E.g. you wouldn't have just a CPU module, and instead you'd
have a module that combines the CPU with many other
But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why.
For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same
reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they
don't want you to have root access on your phone.
Stefan
Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one
person. And they show after making let's say 20 units.
As you know, that has not been the experience with the GTA02, where
audio quality output (works fine for line-out but not for headphones),
GPS issues, and the 1024
I don't see reliability as a problem because it depends on what type
of reliability you are thinking of: component, software, hardware,
production, or availability.
Small production runs means very few people have a chance of
discovering, let alone, fixing the various problems that can show
The main problem I see with such Free and/or Open phone is the small
production syndrome. Small productions mean high prices and low
reliability, whereas we need reasonable prices and reliability.
So we need to focus on making larger production. For that, we need to
widen the target market.
Am I doing something wrong? Is there some way to get some info about
what went wrong? Can I provide my network's password via the command
line instead?
Any help to connect to a home WPA network?
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So, now that I replaced the touchscreen in my GTA02, I can try and
actually use that gizmo. So I installed QtMoko v54, and it seems to
work fairly well. But I can't figure out how to connect to my home
wifi. Part of the problem might be that I don't understand the UI.
Here's what I expect:
-
there is a very good description in the GTA04 Manual:
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/
It's the same procedure on the GTA02!
Thank, worked a treat (even easier when the screen you're removing is
already broken ;-)
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My GTA02's screen is cracked. The display is still very good, but the
touchscreen is unusable, making the whole device unusable.
Does anyone have pointers as to where I could find a replacement (what
hardware should I be looking for)?
Thanks to all your help, I now have a replacement screen,
status name=wifi imageon=wifi.png
on=expr:@/Network/Interfaces/Wifi/State == 2
active=expr:@/Network/Interfaces/Wifi/State == 2
onclick=message=QPE/Application/qterminal,setDocument(QString),/opt/qtmoko
/bin/ping.sh /
There is command line utility calles vsexplorer (or something like that)
My GTA02's screen is cracked. The display is still very good, but the
touchscreen is unusable, making the whole device unusable.
Does anyone have pointers as to where I could find a replacement (what
hardware should I be looking for)?
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what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community
Hardware: One-man-show Nikolaus
Software: One-man-show Radek
I am praying each night, that both of you fasten your seatbelt daily.
Instead a participating community we converted to simple consumers
waiting for news and order
I badly need to set up a new FTP server with bigger disks and a newer
ftpd that supports REST, so that I can put *everything* I have online.
But I can't stomach PC hardware, at least not in my machine room: I'm
OK with x86 laptops and *maybe* desktop workstations, but an x86
server is a no-no
* removed package vim-tiny from v33 .tgz, please re-add it as default;)
Hmm i am trying to keep the image as small as possible. I'd rather
prefer if
people could install they favourite apps with apt-get.
I agree, but I think vi/vim is quite a basic tool in any distribution.
I'd remove
* qtmoko and it's applications are packaged as debian packages
Yay! Thanks for the rest as well, but this is the big one for me.
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1/ USB Host is not working in v30, v31 (in v26 is). Dmesg says unable
to enumerate device. I was trying to connect USB flash drive, BT dongle
and USBtoRS232 converter (With PL2??something chip) - all these were
working on v26.
The FreeRunner's USB port can be switched from device to host
This is done to protect users from malware,
Please don't spread such misinformation. It is done to keep control of
the device away from the user. I.e. it's only correct if you define
malware as program that the company doesn't like, whereas I think
it's usually understood as program which does
1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself).
2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered)
3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we
have one)
4. same as 3 including a Wi2Wi GPS receiver module (we are not sure if
the internal
Why not use the circular in-memory buffer provided by busybox's syslogd?
It's what OpenWRT uses (and many other embedded firmwares): it doesn't
eat up your Flash/disk, but still gives you access to the last
few messages.
but we dont have busybox in debian.
??? Ever tried aptitude search
I've gone for a less radical approach, as most of the loglines came from
qtopia:
in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh
change the line that starts qpe in
qpe 21 | logger -p local5.debug -t 'Qtopia'
than use /etc/syslog.conf to only log important info (see man
syslog.conf)
Sure, but i have seen
flash partitions are not scanned? Why?
Because reading even just a single file of a jffs2 partition requires
a lot of time (typically proportional to the size of the jffs2
partition).
Stefan
PS: Think of a jffs2 partition as a cyclic tape: to find a file, we
first need to find the
Also... do QtMoko really log to files on flash or have I missed
something. I would prefer logging to a ramfs like on SHR.
Now it logs to flash. I have been experimenting with this
a little. It's very wanted for next releases...
I use the following script:
% cat /etc/init.d/syslog-busybox
Yes you need to configure the userland watchdog to do something
useful. Like check that you have no processes in disk sleep (D) state
and that SSH server is running etc.
Which watchdog daemon would that be, and hos do you configure it.
The only ones I've seen were trivial (like busybox's) and
Which watchdog daemon would that be
It's the normal one that everyone's been using since 1996 :-)
Duh! Thanks for making me finally see the obvious,
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Reminds me of the following feature request:
when downloading levels N...N+4 (or 5, 6, younameit), please also
download all the levels above (it's a negligible fraction of the
corresponding disk space and network bandwidth anyway).
I.e. instead of downloads N to N+4, it should be
download levels 1
Now I keep wondering: why is this Debian-based distribution not using
*.deb packages for its /opt/qtmoko stuff?
I finally saw that this is a TODO item, so clearly it's just because
nobody did it.
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I just installed QtMoko (v18) on a uSD to try it out, and while it looks
OK, it never shows me any keyboard, which makes a lot of its
functionality unusable.
Is it supposed to popup automatically? If it doesn't, is there some way
to force it?
I do see a little Aa icon at the top of the screen
' Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in
some way? And is it built without the debug settings?
It's the latest upstream andy-tracking, mostly meaning that if
compared to July snapshot Bluetooth, GPS etc. should handle suspend
better among else. Debug is
well, but that's a specific scenario for a rather limited audience, isn't
it?
Sure nowadays but if a user could easily choose encryption they might
just use it.
I suspect that without a hardware encryption engine the performance and
battery life hit will be too much for most people.
I
I switched from ext3 builtin to ext3 as module, because this is more
Debian like. I guess I will have to change this back to built in,
because we have no initramfs?
So, IIUC you also switched to jffs2 as module, which would explain why
I can't boot into my NAND-installed Debian.
I think both
The “Aa” icon means the input method is set to Phone Keys, but of course
the FreeRunner lacks a physical keypad. You need to press the white
triangle, which points down, to the right of the “Aa” icon to choose one
of the keyboard-based input methods. I prefer the Docked Keyboard. In
' Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in
some way? And is it built without the debug settings?
It's the latest upstream andy-tracking, mostly meaning that if
compared to July snapshot Bluetooth, GPS etc. should handle suspend
better among else. Debug is
It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should
be made default.
It is the default if you install Debian on your Freerunner,
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Debian is definitely great, but it has a big disadvantage on the FR:
Size matters.
More generally, it has trouble adapting to particular hardware needs,
whether disk space, FPU-less CPU, small RAM, etc...
Its precompiled nature makes it largely unavoidable, sadly.
Stefan
PS: it is
a) the group free software is nothing but a combination of an adjective
and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive
That might be the case, but in the context of distributing a piece of
software in the context of GNU/Linux, free software refers to
the FSF's notion.
Any other
When it next happens, put it by your ear, press the power button for
up to 10 s (just to make sure).
You *will* hear a very light noise of it truly powering off.
Then you release and press again once, like a click, and it will boot.
This is an effect outside the operating system.
This
This used to be a feature implemented in the earlier kernels, and was
later dropped. Has it been re-added? If so, in which kernel version?
In Debian's 2.6.29 it doesn't seem to be present.
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009
armv4tl
It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted.
Duh! So there is code that can automatically detect when a dumb-battery
is inserted, but the kernel's driver isn't able to automatically (and
dynamically) choose which driver to use? Sounds like there's room
for improvement.
Stefan
AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all
tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen
mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also
support it.
x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until
u
Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime,
not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having
two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to
choose between.
The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking
what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people
are looking for?
The main reason is to provide financial support to companies that
support my ideals rather than to those that undermine them.
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While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware
I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list.
Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try
and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find
appropriate hardware? Of
I recently compile the latest andy-tracking branch of the kernel
(GTA02_mystable-a3587e4ed77974ad), however the usb networking feature
is no longer operational.
Prior to installing the new kernel, my Linux system would recognize
the Neo Freerunner as a CDC Ethernet device, now it no longer
Can I just use cp or tar while I am booted in QtMoko v8 to copy everything
over?
Yes. Some of the files may change while you copy them over, but as long
as *you* don't actively modify important files during the copy, the
files that change won't make a difference (they'll be things like syslog
BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02.
I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C.
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BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02.
I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C.
Really?
Yes.
I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged
with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't
charge this battery.
Be warned, there have been some reports of the journal of ext3 wearing
out its part of the SD card.
Actually, there haven't been any such report. There have only been
posts such as yours trying to scare people away.
If you're a masochist, go for ext2 without hesitation. Otherwise follow
the
After nearly 5 months development, I'm happy to announce the first alpha
release of omgps.
Looks like a great alternative to TangoGPS. I like the ability to write
on the map and save it as a screenshot. But I would even prefer a way
to take notes via the microphone and/or the keyboard,
For me, I think you've hit the nail on the head. We're trying something
new with gta02-core, and by working on the small changes we've proposed
we can focus on the tools that we use, the organisation of individual
contributors and the stages we need to go through to get functional
hardware.
As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to
run phone application and to access device via ssh. To my mind this
introduce great security risk.
The Debian distribution works with a non-root user.
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http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk
trap: 26: ERR: bad trap
Any clue ?
The script uses /bin/sh but actually relies on bashisms, so if your
/bin/sh is actually something else (like dash, according to my crystal
ball), you
They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that
needs an OS overseeing it?
I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they
started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's
got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use
It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package
for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running -
If you run Debian on your FR, then you can just aptitude install
emacs.
doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in
terminal or via a
It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package
for emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get emacs running -
doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in
terminal or via a remote session.
I install joe which includes jmacs an emacs-like
It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package
for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running -
Use vim in stead!
It's been a long time since I last looked at it, but AFAIK Vim's
emulation of Emacs is at best very poor.
Stefan
What are we supposed to do to get Mokomaze to run as a non-root user?
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i would like to distribute in my rootfs video player that can play
theora videos in fullscreen mode 320x240.
I'd also like a way to play TheoraOgg videos fullscreen.
I was experimenting with mplayer on with fbdev as video output, but
i was able to play just very small resolution video
It'd also be nice to have an option for automatically zooming out.
That is, if I have a bunch of tiles at zoom 15 (downloaded using
tangogps perhaps) then I want the zoom 14 tiles covering the same area,
as well as the zoom 13 tiles, and so on all the way up to the top.
Of course, the
Would it be possible to have an option which, if set, would
* answer automatically each incomming phonecall,
* play a previously save wav file as a I not here at the moment blabla
welcomming message and route it so that the correspondant can hear it
* record the remote guy until he/she stops
From what I understand, mplayer can take over a full window given it's
id. I don't know how to make mplayer take over part of a window.
IIUC the window id passed to mplayer does not have to be
a top-level window.
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Yeah, I get that much, but what do I put into it? :P
google swap /etc/fstab should give you the necessary info.
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Regardless of what you produce as Plan B, even if it's a hair
didn't you mean: especially
straightener, I'll buy one. ;-)
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He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying
that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put
in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units).
You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G
will get my money as far as I'm
i have uploaded the debian based rootfs here [1]. All the patches
to QTE Improved GIT were sent on this list yesterday.
Nice. The next step is to package QtE so it can be installed via
apt-get.
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Yes, i was thinking exactly the same. There are some things that
have to be solved cleanly before this can be done. E.g. the udev
rule for GSM modem. I have described it in my howto.
The udev rule seems easy to fix: rather than put it in
/media/card/etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules, put it in a
I want to configure neo as a bluetooth headset for my linux PC SIP client so
that i can receive my VOIP calls on my neo speakers and i can talk with my
neo microphone!
Interesting. I wonder, tho: why do you prefer such a setup over
one where the FR itself runs the VOIP program?
Cellhunter tries to read out your $HOME variable. when NOT set it goes
to /home/root (line 536)
that seems to be a very strange fallback
- where is root's home below /home/? so far i've seen it in oe only
- why is the user root assumed?
a sane fallback would be /tmp, which usually exists
Unfortunately, the jitter has many interpretations.
* The user is moving the fingers apart
* The user is moving the fingers together
* The user holds the finger still, but pressure varies
I think the jitter you should see with multitouch should be quite
different from finger moves: much
No, a sane fallback would be to signal an error and exit.
that's no fallback -- that's an exit strategy.
For a problem detected at startup, it's much better than
a bogus fallback.
After all, a missing HOME envvar, or a $HOME that points to a missing
directory is the result of a misconfiguration
FWIW, there's another source of info that might be used: jitter.
When you have two fingers pressed, not only the reported position is
more-or-less the middle point, but it's also jittery.
So you could detect such jitter as a tell-tale of multitouch and then
use the jitter itself (orientation and
As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through
Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS
development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow
deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to
lobby for this
Nice it would be grat in future if we (debian users) could just add opkg
repos as deb ones... maybe with different priority... it may be difficult
and risky, but indeed useful!
Wouldn't it be much easier to just create real debian packages?
Well, since [io]pkgs can be found in all kinds of
Rask == Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk writes:
When installing opk/ipk packages from e.g. http://www.opkg.org/, there
will be problems with unmet dependencies because Debian uses other
package names for some of the packages providing the dependencies. I've
created a few small
When installing opk/ipk packages from e.g. http://www.opkg.org/, there
will be problems with unmet dependencies because Debian uses other
package names for some of the packages providing the dependencies. I've
created a few small packages which create a mapping of the package names so
tricks
AFAIK file should return you a 'debian binary' file format for ipk
packages now.
Duh, it does now indeed. I can see why it can be useful, but for it
would also sometimes be useful to know that it's a subtype of `ar'.
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I have been able to extract some packages by using tar -zxvf after
renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and
I dont know why).
Try it with `file': it will usually tell you what kind of file you're
looking at. `ipkg' packages have used various formats over time,
I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small
capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places
with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded
unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's
normal connection
| I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's
| unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if
| I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more
| often, which would in turn increase my use of it).
Lifting the can and meddling with
FYI, there is a new version of pythm available on opkg.org
I only miss one little thing
When you add an entire directory to playlist, tracks are alphabetically
ordered, but, if exists, they should be ordered by track # (from ID3 or ogg
tags).
This turns out to be a tricky problem.
I have
I think it's a problem of horsepower.
I don't.
If you can, as modern players do, read all id3 info of all tracks,
and process it on a relational database, you can perfectly sort all
your songs by author/album/year/genre/what you want ;)
Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very
Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very difficult to do a good job
of sorting files: it's basically impossible to reliably figure out which
songs are part of the same album and which aren't. You can use
I've solved all those problems the first times I opened amarok, and
now it's a
Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and fixing them to
get the sorting to work may imply breaking them in the sense that the
info they carry is not quite correct any more.
Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the
ID3 info to solve such problems?
Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous.
It is. Sadly it's also true.
And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it
blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses.
Indeed, it's not lit very often... I'll let you guess why that is.
I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program
and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error
status 2.
Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried
opkg install apache2
FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by
Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken.
It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even
trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this...
Try the MPD backend. For me, it works without hassle.
Stefan apt-get install mpd
Well, I'm actually looking at taking it further - apart from being a
frontend to mplayer. I'm also looking at playing ogg through tremor and
trying out mpg123 to see if that is any better. Though, I intend stopping
after these two codecs - since most audio IMHO is likely to be in these
If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the
same as what you see with your mplayer+intone). The other advantage
of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere .
Sure. :-) I haven't used MPD. But I'm more looking at using the phone as a
standalone music player
I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian
repo)
how did you get it?
apt-get dist-upgrade does not list another kernel (but 2.6.24).
AFAIK the two kernels are in different packages, not in different
versions of the same package. And I haven't found a virtual
files. All that was required was a frontend for it! I know pythm is just
that, but my Neo uses more than 30% CPU with it. It could be a minor bug -
I'll just remind people here that pythm also works with MPD. If you use
the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same as what
you
But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what
u-box.com sends us?
AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from
u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites. So we could
try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data
Before, mplayer took 40%-50% of cpu according to top.
Now, pythm-bin uses 48%-49% instead. This when playing stereo .ogg
Still sounds much too high. Even my home router (266MHz MIPS) decodes
.ogg with less than 30% of CPU. Usind `mpd', my FR shows significantly
less than 20% CPU decoding
done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are
divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for
other criteria.
It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules
apply as for any other Linux system.
Stefan
Ahh, just when I want a media player, the last thing I usually want to do is
edit conf files.
The only thing that should need specifying in this file should be the
directory where the songs are kept. What else did you have to edit?
Then, I had to find a client, and perhaps I got a bad one (I
2) I would have liked to use mpd, but I have never been able to find a
package for it for arm. It is not feasible to stream from a server,
since I listen to music in my car.
Hmm I'm under Debian where I just apt-get install mpd.
But `mpd' is packaged for OpenWRT and AFAIK there's also one
In my experience, MPD is a pain to set up.
Hmm... that's probably something we can improve.
I had no trouble with it but then it wasn't the first time I set it
up: could you give us some hint what was difficult?
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