Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 20 February 2014 12:05:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: Hi, @joerg: sorry we mis-communicate. No we don't. Or at least I don't. ;-) I am not talking about tracking (location of caller), me neither since that's absolutely trivial but identification of caller. me too If I buy a

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread Neal H. Walfield
At Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:11:33 +0100, joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Thu 20 February 2014 12:05:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: Hi, @joerg: sorry we mis-communicate. No we don't. Or at least I don't. ;-) I am not talking about tracking (location of caller), me neither since that's

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote: Why do you think the only use for a mobile phone is to make calls? If I only make a data connection and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor, then this identification method is useful. Neal Err, right. For that usecase it

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread elhennig
Why do you think the only use for a mobile phone is to make calls? If I only make a data connection and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor, then this identification method is useful. Maybe because we are talking about a GSM modem? -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote: and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor Recent tests have revealed that at least 20 nodes in Tor are trying to break into your encrypted data transmission. It'd widely known that Tor is infiltrated by agencies. /j -- () ascii

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread Nick
joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote: and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor Err, right. For that usecase it might work - until you do *anything* that gives away your ID You still have location anonymity though. An adversary may

Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) wrote: I remember adverts of Openmoko in capitals 100% FREE mobile. that this was a false promise comes evident afterwards. I wonder how many people forked over their $$$ for those expensive Openmoko phones primarily in the hope that the bloody NDA would

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 20 February 2014 20:38:35 Michael Spacefalcon wrote: was a proprietary phone no different from anything out of Motorola, Samsung or Apple. evidently bullshit! -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-20 Thread Andreas Kemnade
Hi, On 20 Feb 2014 12:05:00 +0100 openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) wrote: I remember adverts of Openmoko in capitals 100% FREE mobile. that this was a false promise comes evident afterwards. the knowledge about NDA restrictions of GSM components is still today only in some geek's

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 07:29:28 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. Let's hope we don't have to read Pied Piper Revisited or learn about some landslide or somesuch, in a

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 07:48:02 joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Fri 21 February 2014 07:29:28 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. Let's hope we don't have to read Pied

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. I don't mind the role. Check out The Stolen Child, poem/song by William Butler Yeats - I particularly like this rendition: http://www.elvendrums.com/cddragon.php VLR, SF

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Radek Polak
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during the years when it mattered the most. That's your point

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 08:26 schrieb Radek Polak: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during the