Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Hello list. You might be interested in reading those pages : http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD contains an example of the OSD configuration i'm using on the FR. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit%27s_binary_map_driver describes briefly navit's binfile maps. I saw a post where navit doesn't start because of 'no gui'. It means that navit doesn't find the gui configured in the xml, hence, it's usually one of the two following : - typo in the xml - missing .so.0 link. Could you post a ls -l /usr/lib/navit/gui/ ? Also, if you want maps, you can use http://maps.navit-project.org/ where you will find up-to-date worldfiles, or http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ where you can choose an area on an interactive map, and get the corresponding map. I'm using navit almost daily on my GTA02, for real-life navigation (not just test cases). Route computation is a bit slow, but we can also blame the FR for that. I'm using the MG maps (OSM coverage in my area is still rather poor) and i'm rather happy with it. K- -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Tangogps-or-navit-with-prepackaged-Europe-map-tp2986919p2992671.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
2009/5/28 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com: That's made me think - we (as in the community) could provide packages via opkg.org that provided regular updates for various countries / regions / zoom levels. Would be very easy to do, just make sure that someone has up to date tiles (OSMupdater, for example) and package them up to be extracted to /media/card/maps It's extra work for one person, and extra load on opkg.org, but for us lazy people out there, it'd be great. I might even try it out with a South England example myself. not necessarily a significant extra load on opkg. you could create an opkg package with no map data in it, only control data for opkg to know what version is installed, and a postinst script (or whatever the equivalent is in opkg), which downloads the data from cloudmade, direct from the osm api, or wherever. i think this is similar to how linux distros package flash, etc. although for different reasons ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On May 29, 2009 10:20am, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: I'm using navit almost daily on my GTA02, for real-life navigation (not just test cases). Route computation is a bit slow, but we can also blame the FR for that. I'm using the MG maps (OSM coverage in my area is still rather poor) and i'm rather happy with it. Which distro are you using? I find the graphics are not updated quickly enough on the motorway even without routing. With navit routing, I find it unusable at any speed. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Dear List, Is anyone aware of any images, with prepacked maps with tangogps or navit? Im going to travel in the next days across Europe, and a gps device would be handy. I have a spare 2G uSD card. So some ready-made uSD image would be extremely cool. I only need the map and gps, no phone functionality is required. don't know any such package, but downloading maps for tangogps is easy enough: 1. connect the phone to the internet somehow. (wlan or usb) 2. start tangogps 3. zoom in on an area you want maps for, such as somewhere in Europe. Note that tangogps downloads and stores map tiles as you do this. 4. If you want detail maps for an area and don't want to move around a lot in the detail maps, just click the screen and download a few extra zoom levels. This is the way to get detail maps for an entire city, for example. Note that downloading detail maps for all of europe will simply be too much. So go for the places you actually will be going. Navit maps are much more compact, so all of europe is realistic on a large SDcard. Whether navit will perform fast enough on a FR is another problem. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
don't know about any images. but with a map for all of europe 2gb is pretty little. it certainly won't work with tangogps -- once i tried to get all of germany in a usable resolution for tangogps and it exceed by far 2gb. so, your best bet would be navit with its binary maps which are much smaller for the same are covered. ho to fetch a map for a selected area is described in the navit wiki (in short: wget an url with the coordinates), and there are even a lot of links at osm where others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
2009/5/28 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: don't know about any images. but with a map for all of europe 2gb is pretty little. it certainly won't work with tangogps -- once i tried to get all of germany in a usable resolution for tangogps and it exceed by far 2gb. so, your best bet would be navit with its binary maps which are much smaller for the same are covered. ho to fetch a map for a selected area is described in the navit wiki (in short: wget an url with the coordinates), and there are even a lot of links at osm where others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. cloudmade.com provide ready to go navit maps - the one for new zealand was 4 megabytes; i imagine germany won't be too much bigger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Dear List, Is anyone aware of any images, with prepacked maps with tangogps or navit? Im going to travel in the next days across Europe, and a gps device would be handy. I have a spare 2G uSD card. So some ready-made uSD image would be extremely cool. I only need the map and gps, no phone functionality is required. Any ideas? Navit has support for that kind of use. But I don't think you can get a europe opkg package quite yet. But there is a template how to throw a little xml snipped into some directory (included in the mapset esction of navit.xml). Just poit it to your sd card where your europe.bin is. I can't give you a exact description sinc ei don't have a openmoko phone at hand right now. But the wiki tells you how to get osm maps and the default config shows you how to integrate it. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. You could try downloads.cloudmade.com - they have a europe map in navit format to download. It's 631M zipped so it may be too big for your SD card once unzipped. Stuart ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
links at osm where others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. That's made me think - we (as in the community) could provide packages via opkg.org that provided regular updates for various countries / regions / zoom levels. Would be very easy to do, just make sure that someone has up to date tiles (OSMupdater, for example) and package them up to be extracted to /media/card/maps It's extra work for one person, and extra load on opkg.org, but for us lazy people out there, it'd be great. I might even try it out with a South England example myself. Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/28 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: don't know about any images. but with a map for all of europe 2gb is pretty little. it certainly won't work with tangogps -- once i tried to get all of germany in a usable resolution for tangogps and it exceed by far 2gb. so, your best bet would be navit with its binary maps which are much smaller for the same are covered. ho to fetch a map for a selected area is described in the navit wiki (in short: wget an url with the coordinates), and there are even a lot of links at osm where others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/5/28 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: don't know about any images. but with a map for all of europe 2gb is pretty little. it certainly won't work with tangogps -- once i tried to get all of germany in a usable resolution for tangogps and it exceed by far 2gb. so, your best bet would be navit with its binary maps which are much smaller for the same are covered. ho to fetch a map for a selected area is described in the navit wiki (in short: wget an url with the coordinates), and there are even a lot of links at osm where others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. cloudmade.com provide ready to go navit maps - the one for new zealand was 4 megabytes; i imagine germany won't be too much bigger ROFL. I see, the Kiwis have some catching up to do with their OSM coverage. :) Europe ~550MiB Germany ~250MiB http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMaps#Getting_a_pre-processed_planet.osm -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
btw. if you consider it. The reiseplaner maps are great. But at least on my GTA01 (64MB) it does not really work well because navit becomes unusabely slow. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/European_maps#Marco_Polo_Grosser_Reiseplaner Would be interesting to see how it does on a gta02... Tilman Baumann wrote: Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Dear List, Is anyone aware of any images, with prepacked maps with tangogps or navit? Im going to travel in the next days across Europe, and a gps device would be handy. I have a spare 2G uSD card. So some ready-made uSD image would be extremely cool. I only need the map and gps, no phone functionality is required. Any ideas? Navit has support for that kind of use. But I don't think you can get a europe opkg package quite yet. But there is a template how to throw a little xml snipped into some directory (included in the mapset esction of navit.xml). Just poit it to your sd card where your europe.bin is. I can't give you a exact description sinc ei don't have a openmoko phone at hand right now. But the wiki tells you how to get osm maps and the default config shows you how to integrate it. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: That's made me think - we (as in the community) could provide packages via opkg.org that provided regular updates for various countries / regions / zoom levels. Would be very easy to do, just make sure that someone has up to date tiles (OSMupdater, for example) and package them up to be extracted to /media/card/maps Thank you guys for the many answers! I have read on the list that navit requires many tweaks to run with an acceptable speed on the freerunner. So what is the best way to install it? On debian? On shr? On om2009? I think this gps navigation is so complex, that usually people buys a dedicated device for it. I think it would be appropriate to build some hand-tuned, tweaked images for Freerunner. Maybe there is already available uSD image The wiki is a bit too neutral about it. Would be nice to see the best (speed-wise) option is, and no need to try everything out and spend weeks on tweaking. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Stuart Pullinger s...@elec.gla.ac.uk wrote: others have put together more or less regularyl updated binary map files of several regions of the world. You could try downloads.cloudmade.com - they have a europe map in navit format to download. It's 631M zipped so it may be too big for your SD card once unzipped. Since the 'bin' format is a .zip file with lots of smaller files in it, unzipping the (europe).zip file won't grow the data much... Unfortunately, europe is _just_ too big to store on OpenMoko's 512Mb card, but 2 Gb will surely work. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe there is already available uSD image Ok. I tried to install navit on SHR. I downloaded: wget http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.1.0+svnrev2198-r1_armv4t.ipk wget http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libgps17_2.37-r2_armv4t.ipk wget http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libspeechd2_0.6.6-r1_armv4t.ipk wget http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/flite_1.3-r3_armv4t.ipk And installed them. Typing on the console: export DISPLAY=:0 navit I get this error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ navit Enabling low-mem workaround... navit:vehicle_new:invalid type 'gpsd' navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'flags_forward_mask' with value '0x402' navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'flags_reverse_mask' with value '0x401' navit:speech_new:wrong type 'cmdline' navit:navit_init:no gui navit:navit_get_user_data_directory:creating dir /home/root/.navit navit:main:Using '/usr/share/navit/navit.xml' navit:main:No instance has been created, exiting r...@om-gta02 ~ $ After creating symlinks in /usr/lib/navit/gui: cd /usr/lib/navit/gui/ ln -s libgui_internal.so.0.0.0 libgui_internal.so ln -s libgui_gtk.so.0.0.0 libgui_gtk.so I get this: r...@om-gta02 ~/.navit $ navit Enabling low-mem workaround... gui_internal:gui_internal_new:register navit:vehicle_new:invalid type 'gpsd' navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'flags_forward_mask' with value '0x402' navit:convert_to_attrs:failed to create attribute 'flags_reverse_mask' with value '0x401' navit:speech_new:wrong type 'cmdline' navit:navit_init:no graphics navit:main:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml' navit:main:No instance has been created, exiting r...@om-gta02 ~/.navit $ I cant advance from here. Any ideas? Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: I have read on the list that navit requires many tweaks to run with an acceptable speed Once I get Navit building on my PC, that's one of the first things to look into... The wiki is a bit too neutral about it. Would be nice to see the best (speed-wise) option is, and no need to try everything out and spend weeks on tweaking. Routing is still a problem, speed-wise. AFAIK it's being worked on. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
arne anka wrote: Since the 'bin' format is a .zip file with lots of smaller files in it, unzipping the (europe).zip file won't grow the data much... that's actually quite interesting! it never occured to me to analyze the resulting file. so, which map format would be faster -- navit or osm? the same map in osm being far bigger suggests somehow that less cpu is necessary ... I'm not sure I'm getting the point here. But the navit format is binary and the osm format is (zipped) xml. The navit binfile format is clearly more economical. osm files contain redundant informations and the xml needs to be parsed and built into a in memory structure (i guess) and the binfile format is basically a memory format and as far as I can read it mmappable. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Maybe there is already available uSD image Ok. I tried to install navit on SHR. For starting navit the navit-dev package was required: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/navit-dev_0.1.0+svnrev2198-r1_armv4t.ipk I have put the germany.navit.bin file to /mnt/media/europe dir. I have put into navit.xml file: mapset enabled=no xi:include href=$NAVIT_SHAREDIR/maps/*.xml/ /mapset !-- Mapset template for openstreetmaps -- mapset enabled=yes map type=binfile enabled=yes data=/media/card/europe/hungary.navit.bin/ /mapset Navit starts but the map is brownish yellowis solid color. So there is no map. I cant zoom out as the internal gui does not have such buttons. I can press on zoom out in gtk gut, but nohting happens. Anything more is required? A gps deamon? Fso-gps? Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Since the 'bin' format is a .zip file with lots of smaller files in it, unzipping the (europe).zip file won't grow the data much... that's actually quite interesting! it never occured to me to analyze the resulting file. so, which map format would be faster -- navit or osm? the same map in osm being far bigger suggests somehow that less cpu is necessary ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
basically a memory format and as far as I can read it mmappable. i never looked into navit's source code. the train of thought was simply: small file - highly compressed information - increased cpu usage while extracting. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
arne anka wrote: basically a memory format and as far as I can read it mmappable. i never looked into navit's source code. the train of thought was simply: small file - highly compressed information - increased cpu usage while extracting. No it is more like optimised computer readable format versus human readable very redundand and bloated format. *g* -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
Hi Laszlo, Don't forget to set your location in the navit.xmlfile too. ( navit center= ) Make sure you map covers the location entered there. you also might need to remove the center.txt file. In the gtk interface there should be a pulldown menu map in the top bar, is that present? That would indicate that the map is loaded. For navigation you do need a gpsd, but it is not necesary to have it at startup. I use navit often to calculate a route between two points, without the gpsd switched on. When started from commandline, do you see any error messages ( besides the no gpsd found ofcourse)? Kind regards, Ed On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 16:10 +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Maybe there is already available uSD image Ok. I tried to install navit on SHR. For starting navit the navit-dev package was required: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/navit-dev_0.1.0+svnrev2198-r1_armv4t.ipk I have put the germany.navit.bin file to /mnt/media/europe dir. I have put into navit.xml file: mapset enabled=no xi:include href=$NAVIT_SHAREDIR/maps/*.xml/ /mapset !-- Mapset template for openstreetmaps -- mapset enabled=yes map type=binfile enabled=yes data=/media/card/europe/hungary.navit.bin/ /mapset Navit starts but the map is brownish yellowis solid color. So there is no map. I cant zoom out as the internal gui does not have such buttons. I can press on zoom out in gtk gut, but nohting happens. Anything more is required? A gps deamon? Fso-gps? Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps or navit with prepackaged Europe map
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:13 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: basically a memory format and as far as I can read it mmappable. i never looked into navit's source code. the train of thought was simply: small file - highly compressed information - increased cpu usage while extracting. I've (briefly) looked into Navit's source code, and I've 'seen' a .bin file. If you unzip -l such a .bin file, you'll see lots of small files with file names consisting of A's, B's, C's and D's. Based on my non-knowledge of how things work, I expect that the world has been recursively divided into 4 parts (north-west = A, south-west = B, south-east = C and north-east = D) up to a certain depth. It is then 'quite easy' to calculate from a given position where it maps into which ABCDABCD file, which can then be extracted from the appropriate .bin file and read into memory and processed. You'll only have to cache the .bin file's directory to be able to quickly find the correct .bin file, and then seek to the correct position and read the .zip file. zlib (at least, I think it's zlib) does this with much ease. Actually, loading the files does not take much CPU time, but drawing all the vectors and filling in the shapes takes lots of time... Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
