Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 24 October 2011, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Did somebody try to use a 3D printer to see what can be done with this kind of device ? Could we use one to make a case ? It has been looked into. You should find the discussion in the list archives.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-23 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Did somebody try to use a 3D printer to see what can be done with this kind of device ? Could we use one to make a case ? Xavier. Le 15/11/2010 15:00, Atilla Filiz a écrit : About the case. Would GeeksphoneONE/Zeus case fit us? I know they have a sliding keyboards but maybe we can work

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Wolfgang, Am 18.10.2011 um 04:00 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: Ranjit, hey, thanks for noticing :-) Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 21 October 2011, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Wolfgang, Am 18.10.2011 um 04:00 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: Ranjit, hey, thanks for noticing :-) Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that,

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-17 Thread Ranjit Pillai
Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how feasible is it. [1] http://milkymist.org/mmone.html On 11/15/10, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2011-10-17 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Ranjit, hey, thanks for noticing :-) Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how feasible is it. [1] http://milkymist.org/mmone.html That case was

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-15 Thread Atilla Filiz
About the case. Would GeeksphoneONE/Zeus case fit us? I know they have a sliding keyboards but maybe we can work something out. Even better, I would love to see a full keyboard on my Neo. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Sat, 11/13/10, Dr.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-14 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Sat, 11/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: (one series of problems) We could solve that by adding a jump start resistor. Then, we soldered the OMAP3530 and Pop Memory chip and connected RS232:     http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00679.jpg

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-13 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Nikolaus, The story reads like a novel, with another cliffhanger every time:-) Keep up the good work! Kind regards, Ed On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 08:50 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi all, time for another update. Am 06.11.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Thanks for the

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.11.2010 um 09:23 schrieb Ed Kapitein: Hi Nikolaus, The story reads like a novel, with another cliffhanger every time:-) Well, what else can be the destiny of a Freerunner :-) Keep up the good work! Thanks, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-13 Thread Alexander Lehner
Nikolaus, if you need a XRAY machine again, I could probably help you; I work for a company which produces those XRay inspection machines. A. On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi all, time for another update. Am 06.11.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Thanks for

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.11.2010 um 12:15 schrieb Alexander Lehner: Nikolaus, if you need a XRAY machine again, I could probably help you; I work for a company which produces those XRay inspection machines. A. That is great to know! Although I hope we don't need it again :---) Have a nice weekend,

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-13 Thread Paul Fertser
Hi, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: time for another update. ... Current status: the 1.8V is now working but the VDD2 (1.2 V) not. The TPS chip aborts the power up sequence early. We could solve that by adding a jump start resistor. ... Nikolaus, this project is a very

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-12 Thread Radek Polak
On Wednesday 27 October 2010 10:15:45 Radek Polak wrote: Another idea - i wonder if i could make the case of wood. That would be very environment friendly and wood is also good material. But that's just idea. It seems someone was faster ;-)

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, time for another update. Am 06.11.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Thanks for the news Yesterday I received the second board where we did populate the TPS65950 (power controller). The results of measurements are: * the 32 kHz RTC clock is operating * when inserting

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-06 Thread Sylvain Paré
Thanks for the news 2010/11/5 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com Am 05.11.2010 um 12:39 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 21.10.2010 um 07:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.10.2010 um 07:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory:

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.11.2010 um 12:39 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 21.10.2010 um 07:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-30 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Sean has given us a very important learning: we should use catalog components (e.g. DigiKey, Farnell, Mouser, RS-Components) as good as possible. Unfortunately they don't have a smartphone case. Maybe you can find one here:

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-27 Thread Radek Polak
On Tuesday 26 October 2010 17:50:43 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Suddenly it became obvious... There is an open phone where approx. 18000 cases have been sold. It is called Neo Freerunner (and 3000 thereof are Neo 1973). So there are nice cases out there. Well, they lack some features,

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-27 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 27 October 2010, Radek Polak wrote: Another idea - i wonder if i could make the case of wood. That would be very environment friendly and wood is also good material. But that's just idea. Laser cutting works with wood, though you do get slightly charred edges. Milling works well

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 27.10.2010 um 11:18 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 27 October 2010, Radek Polak wrote: Another idea - i wonder if i could make the case of wood. That would be very environment friendly and wood is also good material. But that's just idea. Laser cutting works with wood, though you do

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-27 Thread Fabian Schölzel
2010/10/27 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz Another idea - i wonder if i could make the case of wood. That would be very environment friendly and wood is also good material. But that's just idea. I often thought about this, and i think its a very nice idea. It would give a nice feeling in the

[GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-27 Thread Eric Ehlers
Hello, Attempting resend of failed message after subscribing to list... Rgds Eric On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:33 PM, eric ehlers wrote: Hello, Was just pointed to this project by a colleague after complaining about the hassles of rooting and jailbreaking my smartphone... Let me ask two

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) Like this idea :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design available for preview? If so, I could also make a research in Poland, how much would it cost? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Our results so far (I can't share all of them): STL + Silicone moulds: 2000 EUR setup + 50 EUR each every 100 units Injection Moulds: 25000 EUR setup + 20 EUR per unit 3D-Printing: no setup, 400 EUR every unit (quality doubtful) Milling from ABS block: no setup, 500 EUR every unit

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.10.2010 um 10:58 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design available for preview? If so, I could also make a research in Poland,

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: mmh... why not include the button(s) in the same mould? it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by a little plastic That's what he (Nicolaus) wrote: Yes. Some parts could be combined in a single mould and then broken

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Andreas Fischer
On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR Well... since a case only makes sense with a phone in it, I guess the question comes down to How much would you pay in addition to the

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR (...) 20 Euros is a no-brainer (...) 50 Euros still sound

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Ed Kapitein
On 10/26/2010 03:17 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR (...) 20 Euros is a

Re: Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread neo
Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Then, however you have the same problem as

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.10.2010 um 16:52 schrieb Ed Kapitein: On 10/26/2010 03:17 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Just my 2 cents. Do you have someone

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] The first is: which one should we take? There are many candidates... Did you looked for Universal mobile phone casing - maybe this would fit in? I am pretty sure, once upon time I found something like this, produced by Chinese manufacturers. [cut] Finally, it might become quite tricky to

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Ed Kapitein
On 10/26/2010 05:05 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: SNIP Hi All, Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Ed, hi Boudewijn, let me combine your thoughts... Am 26.10.2010 um 17:24 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: I never looked for other cases; would there be any trademark/copyright issues? Perhaps we should look for the case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like which phone ;-) Boudewijn Am

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 26 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 26.10.2010 um 10:58 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread David Lanzendörfer
Well I bought M6 steel today. I'll cut it tomorrow in the machine shop of my university... Lets hope, the MiniMendel fits together. I'll build the mendel SS all thread-dimension. So there will be enough space to do printing a freerunner case. Then I'll do a reduced version of the PCB, so that I

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 23 October 2010, David Arnold wrote: On 23/10/2010, at 9:40 AM, Al Johnson wrote: high quality design doesn't have to be expensive to manufacture. I suspect something attractive could be made in low volume at a reasonable price using laser cut plastics. I'll try to ask the local

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for a new injection mould. I.e. a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.). Everyone who gives some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 23 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 23.10.2010 um 15:40 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote:

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Well, we have anlysed approx. 5 or 6 different methods and none was inexpensive for low volumes. The only one that came down below 50 EUR per case is injection moulding. But I would be happy if you can guide the GTA04 to a different approach. It would be good if you could share the

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 25.10.2010 um 13:09 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for a new injection mould. I.e. a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.). Everyone who gives some

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 25 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Well, we have anlysed approx. 5 or 6 different methods and none was inexpensive for low volumes. The only one that came down below 50 EUR per case is injection moulding. But I would be happy if you can guide the GTA04 to a

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
- besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at competitive prices Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. The Maybe you can ask

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@21:09 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The mould for the Power button is less expensive: approx. 1500 EUR. I.e. 10 buttons @ 150 EUR each :) mmh... why not include the button(s) in the same mould? it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by a little plastic for the light

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@00:46 Alfa21 for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) ah and this is also to underline that our open project has nothing to hide! ;) (and one day maybe someone

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread Chuck Norris
for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) sounds cool ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-24 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:42 AM, David Arnold dav...@pobox.com wrote: What about a machined aluminium case? I would guess that rental of a CNC machine would not cost too much, and perhaps we could make an arrangement with a technical college or even commercial firm to use their equipment

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-23 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 22.10.2010 um 19:17 schrieb Gennady Kupava: В Птн, 22/10/2010 в 05:36 -0700, RANJAN пишет: Hello, Recommendations for better hardware on Openmoko. 1)A 600 Mhz processor is minimally required to run the OS at usable speeds.An 800 Mhz processor would be good across all OSes.A 1Ghz

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-23 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 22 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-23 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 23.10.2010 um 15:40 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-23 Thread David Arnold
On 23/10/2010, at 9:40 AM, Al Johnson wrote: high quality design doesn't have to be expensive to manufacture. I suspect something attractive could be made in low volume at a reasonable price using laser cut plastics. I'll try to ask the local cutters about their precision and cut thickness

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.10.2010 um 19:59 schrieb Alfa21: 2010-10...@19:06 David Lanzendörfer True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-22 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@08:24 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller So if we reduce precision of the case production process, the buttons become larger and finally, the phone is more a brick than a handheld phone :) Personally, I am in favour of high-end high-quality design (like the iPhone) even if it costs money.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-22 Thread Gennady Kupava
В Птн, 22/10/2010 в 05:36 -0700, RANJAN пишет: Hello, Recommendations for better hardware on Openmoko. 1)A 600 Mhz processor is minimally required to run the OS at usable speeds.An 800 Mhz processor would be good across all OSes.A 1Ghz processor would be too costly Hi, Ranjan. I just

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-22 Thread David Lanzendörfer
Well First my cold has to cure. Then I will organize the still missing parts for the RepRap Then we will assemble it all Then we will print a first chassis Lets hope the granule extruder is in fact that precise, as the docs are telling. If yes, we can put the new board into it, and have the first

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@07:36 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: eh! your baby is growing up! nice nice nice! :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread beniwtv
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:12:58 +0200, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: 2010-10...@07:36 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: eh! your baby is growing up! nice nice nice! :) I agree :) Can't wait!

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Andreas Fischer
Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Regards, Andreas On 21.10.2010 07:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 21 October 2010, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Most of

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
The board looks great! Quite professional ;-) My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... Most of the parts are here: http://www.handheld-

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 21 October 2010, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... ___ Openmoko

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread David Lanzendörfer
True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only barrier: We need an extruder and some

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.10.2010 um 17:18 schrieb Andreas Fischer: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression We not only plan these upgrade boards but also complete phones as a long term goal. Maybe,

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.10.2010 um 18:05 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 21 October 2010, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.10.2010 um 18:21 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: The board looks great! Quite professional ;-) My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... Most of the parts are

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@19:06 David Lanzendörfer True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread EdorFaus
On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is 2.54 times the required size: On 10/21/2010 07:32

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-20 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking forward to hear more! :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-20 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory:

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 10:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:03 schrieb Sylvain Paré: and which are the next steps between this and a real future GTA04 end-user phone? For the hardware, we have to test the PCB and see if it smokes or the Tux smiles on the screen.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Verwerft
Good luck and thanks for keeping us up to date! On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:03 schrieb Sylvain Paré: and which are the next steps between this and a

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 19-10-2010 16:13, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: Today, we received the first PCBs for the GTA04. It has passed a mechanical test (just some connectors and buttons mounted) and this bare board fits exactly into the GTA02 case. Next, some chips are soldered and we do measurements.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 17:00 schrieb Gennady Kupava: The OMAP CPU is much faster and many interface controllers are also improved. 'much faster' is enemy of 'fast', so if it is possible to make something even better, why not. Here I have found two videos that demo the boot and graphics speed of

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: Hi, When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? Regards Sriranjan I have good news to announce. We have again made progress towards our goals. The first step is that

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Sylvain Paré
Hi, Thanks for these news! Some questions: Does Openmoko Inc. is involved in this right now ? and which are the next steps between this and a real future GTA04 end-user phone? Again thanks for your work! BR Sylvain (aka GarthPS) 2010/9/16 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org Am

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 10:03 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Hi, Thanks for these news! Some questions: Does Openmoko Inc. is involved in this right now ? Not directly. We hope they can become more involved in the future, e.g. as a distributor for Asia (the project is run in Europe) or when we really reach

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 10:03 schrieb Sylvain Paré: Hi, Thanks for these news! Some questions: Does Openmoko Inc. is involved in this right now ? Not directly. We hope they can become more involved in the future, e.g. as a distributor for Asia (the project is run in Europe) or when we really reach

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Gennady Kupava
Hi, Nicolaus. I have few ideas about about performance. Major bottleneck of freerunner is amount of memory, so please can you push as much memory to new device as possible. This will make device lightning fast. Second idea is related to memory too, but i am much less sure about it. Can we have

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 10:05 schrieb Gennady Kupava: Hi, Nicolaus. I have few ideas about about performance. Major bottleneck of freerunner is amount of memory, so please can you push as much memory to new device as possible. This will make device lightning fast. Second idea is The OMAP uses the

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.09.2010 um 10:05 schrieb Gennady Kupava: Hi, Nicolaus. I have few ideas about about performance. Major bottleneck of freerunner is amount of memory, so please can you push as much memory to new device as possible. This will make device lightning fast. Second idea is The OMAP uses the

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Gennady Kupava
В Чтв, 16/09/2010 в 12:54 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller пишет: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:05 schrieb Gennady Kupava: Hi, Nicolaus. I have few ideas about about performance. Major bottleneck of freerunner is amount of memory, so please can you push as much memory to new device as possible.

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, And, we know that fast boot is possible. At least someone has done it for the Beagle Board: http://swiftbeagle.googlecode.com/files/beagleboard_project_hui_keji.pdf They claim that they have achieved 3 seconds from power up to login: on the serial console. Well, running X11 also needs

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Gennady Kupava
Regarding memory we currently plan to use this memory chip: http://www.micron.com/products/ProductDetails.html?product=products/mcp/multichip_packages/MT29C4G48MAZAPAKQ-5+IT 2Gb @ 166MHz - nice! Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-16 Thread Fox Mulder
Am 16.09.2010 19:40, schrieb Gennady Kupava: Regarding memory we currently plan to use this memory chip: http://www.micron.com/products/ProductDetails.html?product=products/mcp/multichip_packages/MT29C4G48MAZAPAKQ-5+IT 2Gb @ 166MHz - nice! If i'm correct than it is 2Gbit and not 2Gbyte