Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 09:07:40PM -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: ... except that the ASF would never actually use this document.  Legal affairs expertise is a limited resource, and if we don't have skin in the game, I'm hesitant to suggest that it live there. I'll challenge that one. The

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 09:07:40PM -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: Find a wiki and start documenting. :) I've started a page here: http://wiki.apache.org/general/OpenSourcePolicy So far, it contains materials from you, Ross, and myself. The permissions regime material involving supervisors

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-29 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 3/29/2011 5:52 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: In my opinion, it's important that the Policy make only one major distinction: between open source software and proprietary software. As a practical matter, advocating for particular technologies seems likely to alienate people at companies

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 06:01:51PM -0500, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Keep in mind, that even open source and proprietary software often intersect. If the document wants to evangelize an 'all open' solution, so be it, I don't think it's desirable to advocate for all open, as it would

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread Upayavira
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:23 -0700, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 02:40:31PM -0700, Keith Curtis wrote: I recommend separating things out into using free software versus writing free software. They're intimately tied, aren't they? One of the great

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread Keith Curtis
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:23 -0700, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 02:40:31PM -0700, Keith Curtis wrote: I recommend separating things out into using free software versus writing free software. They're intimately tied, aren't they? Not

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.orgwrote: This conversation seems to be moving sideways into nonsense. Open Source and LAMP have nothing to do with each other. There are a million ways to consume open source without touching a LAMP stack (some people even

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:01:24AM -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: Presumably this outline described procedures for obtaining clearance from management to work on open source projects? Depends how liberal you're talking. A liberal company would be more along the lines of: Let us know projects

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 3/22/2011 7:19 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: I guess some might consider a solution like that no worse than any other but I think endorsing such a stack goes against a good policy. If you are going to make a policy, you should love the results it endorses. That is all I was trying to

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread Keith Curtis
Hi all; On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@apache.orgwrote: On 3/22/2011 7:19 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: I guess some might consider a solution like that no worse than any other but I think endorsing such a stack goes against a good policy. If you are going to make

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-22 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 3/22/2011 10:24 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: I try to be pragmatic as well but free software is better and cheaper and so these worthy goals and reasons should be reflected in the policies on a topic. the policies, hmmm. Those would be 'your policies'. Which may or may not be what Marvin is

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 09:22:57PM +, Ross Gardler wrote: This is an interesting question. I was recently asked to help with exactly this issue and I also struggled. Perhaps we might consider working up an

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-21 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 02:40:31PM -0700, Keith Curtis wrote: I recommend separating things out into using free software versus writing free software. They're intimately tied, aren't they? One of the great freedoms of open source software is the ability to modify it -- whether that means a

Re: Liberal corporate open source policies

2011-03-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17/03/2011 20:44, Marvin Humphrey wrote: There's a fair amount of information out there on establishing corporate open source policies, but not much that seems appropriate for the company profile I'm interested in: * Web startup. * Software based around an open source ecosystem. *