Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Darren
Stuart Bell wrote: No, no, no, no, no. It'll work, but the magnetic characteristics of the formulations used to coat 800K and 1.4Mb floppies are sufficiently different to make unsafe the storage and long term recovery of data in the manner suggested. Always found this mac quirk

SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread Alexei Prostov
Hi, Is there a way to upgrade SE/30 to PPC? -- Alexei Prostov -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread Stuart Bell
On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Alexei Prostov wrote: Hi, Is there a way to upgrade SE/30 to PPC? There always _a_ way! 1. Poor Man's Grey Scale Project to make the monitor produce 640 x 480 see http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PowerCC/PMGSP/PMGSP.html 2. PCB and

Re: Mac Plus wont take HD

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 21:55 -0800 on 14/01/03, Alan O'Neil wrote: requires a reformat. BTW, this also applies to the Mac SE and Mac II, which used a 2:1 interleave. Anything newer used 1:1 interleave. Actually, it only applies to old hard disks, and it doesn't apply to the SE or Mac II in most cases. I've

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 22:12 +1100 on 15/01/03, Darren wrote: Always found this mac quirk interesting. The amiga formats anything to 880k, I'm yet to lose anything due to That's because the Amigas can write slightly more tracks on the drive. I remember someone around here had a good explanation of it, but it's

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 12:02 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache slot vertical. Install Turbo 601 in your new vertical IIci cache slot

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Derek Morton
It was the technical support departments in both cases (it was in a series of emails)... Who would ever listen to what a salesperson says? All of the statements (deriding the use of HD disks in a DD drive) have been the opinions of people who are basing their statements based on personal

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Darren
the pickle wrote: Always found this mac quirk interesting. The amiga formats anything to 880k, I'm yet to lose anything due to That's because the Amigas can write slightly more tracks on the drive. I remember someone around here had a good explanation of it, but it's nowhere near as

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 00:34 +1100 on 16/01/03, Darren wrote: An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Darren
the pickle wrote: An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is due to

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Olin Jenkins
Greetings, Compact-Mac friends: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:12:47 +1100, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sadly I don't have any macs that need 800k discs to play with it myself. Glad I kept a few of those old floppies around. To wrap my portion of the thread, I'm glad some folks have had success formatting

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Stuart Bell
On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Olin Jenkins wrote: Changing the subject, but not altogether different, I suppose it's safe to format an 800K disk as 400K, correct? That's what I've heard, and I've made three 400K disks on 800K media recently with success. Yes - 800Kb floppies

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread martin
...I don't care if you think it's a bad idea to use DD disks in a HD drive... It is not what you think, it is what you know. Derek Having used HD disks in a DD drive on countless occasions myself with no problems, I obviously agree with Derek. But I have a history of being an anarchist; I

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread Larson, Timothy E.
Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache slot vertical. Install Turbo 601 in your new vertical IIci cache slot inside your SE/30. It should work, though I would

Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions

2003-01-15 Thread Mike Jen
Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my collection of Mac SE/30's. I currently have 5 of these little gems which I've upgraded to 128 meg / 2 gig 7200 RPM drives. Is there an economical way of boosting the speed? I've looked at the DiiMO 030 and cache options from Micromac but they seem pretty

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread Gamba
I have an SE I could get some work out of if I had 800k disks. I recently read that they could be found at office supply stores as they were the same as 720k PC disks. I tried an office supply place and they looked at me like I was Rip van Winkel. Any suggestions? Chet You have seen the 2

Re: Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions

2003-01-15 Thread Gamba
Anyway of using cheaper IIsi options for the PDS slot? Yup, see http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/se30_pds_multiple.html is there another good browser out there that can handle Java and newer web sites fairly well? I wouldn't touch this one with a 12 foot pole. :-) Also is there a good FTP

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread Gamba
I tried that. It didn't work. I don't know why. Any ideas? johnsn If you tried it with stock ROM simm then maybe it would work with a 32 bit clean a ROM simm. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread BrianH
I have an SE I could get some work out of if I had 800k disks. I recently read that they could be found at office supply stores as they were the same as 720k PC disks. They are the same as 720 PC disks. A lot were (are??) used in the electric typewriter/word processor type machines, so

800k discs on Mac Classic

2003-01-15 Thread PastrFisch
Good Morning Mac Friends: I have both an old Mac Plus and a Mac Classic. Recently, I backed up all the work I've done on the Classic's hard drive for the past three years on some disks I picked up at Wal-mart. They said: Mac Formatted. I did not tape over the hole, (didn't know I was

400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-15 Thread Chris Lever
I have hundreds of 400k and 800k disks that have lots of old programs on them as well as pre system 5 system software. There is a lot of duplication so I am slowly working my way through the pile, transferring the files onto a hard disk, making one good copy of all the programs and then

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread Jeff Walther
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:18:16 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:02 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: Is there an _economic_ way? Good question! ;-) How about... Install IIsi adapter to use IIci cache cards. Install necessary pass-through/angle adapters to make IIci cache

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 01:04 +1100 on 16/01/03, Darren wrote: Why doesn't the 800k DD format hold on a HD floppy? Is it the media or 100% media; the magnetic coercivity of the recording layer is different. poor transfer due to the drive? Formatting 1.44mb disks as 720k is easy as pie as is 880k, so whats the macs

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 09:22 -0500 on 15/01/03, Olin Jenkins wrote: Changing the subject, but not altogether different, I suppose it's safe to format an 800K disk as 400K, correct? That's what I've heard, and I've made three 400K disks on 800K media recently with success. Yep, because 400K disks are 800K disks that

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 14:25 + on 15/01/03, Stuart Bell wrote: I remember debates at the time as to whether you could use both sides of a 400Kb floppy in a 800Kb drive. In the days when floppies were £2 or $4 each. Some people said no. Others said yes. Sound familiar? The main reason was - and I'm not

Re: Mac SE/30 upgrades general questions

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 07:57 -0800 on 15/01/03, Gamba wrote: is there another good browser out there that can handle Java and newer web sites fairly well? I wouldn't touch this one with a 12 foot pole. :-) Nor will any 68K browser ;) The last version of Flash for the 68K is far too old to be useful now and the

Re: SE/30 PowerPC Upgrade

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 08:00 -0800 on 15/01/03, Gamba wrote: I tried that. It didn't work. I don't know why. Any ideas? johnsn If you tried it with stock ROM simm then maybe it would work with a 32 bit clean a ROM simm. The same setup has worked fine in a IIcx for people I know, and I could probably try this at

Re: 400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank 800k disk into a 400k disk. See if you can convert the image into

Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 11:33 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have both an old Mac Plus and a Mac Classic. Recently, I backed up all the work I've done on the Classic's hard drive for the past three years on some disks I picked up at Wal-mart. They said: Mac Formatted. I did not tape over the hole,

Re: 400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-15 Thread Chris Lever
on 16/1/03 1:37 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make a new disk, disk copy reformats the blank

Re: 800k discs/disks and CRT discharge energy

2003-01-15 Thread Tom Lee
Subject: Re: 800k discs An 800K Mac floppy drive doesn't use a strong enough magnetic field to properly record data onto 1.44 MB disks. Is the glass half empty or half full? That's why you can't format 800K disks as 1.4MB; the reason you can't use disks the other way 'round is due to

Re: 400k disks was 800k disks

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 02:08 + on 16/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: on 16/1/03 1:37 AM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:43 + on 15/01/03, Chris Lever wrote: to put everything on to a 800k disk. I have made a disk image with disk copy and have also mounted the image with MountImage. When I make

Re: 800k discs on Mac Classic

2003-01-15 Thread PastrFisch
Thank you thank you, I was beginning to sweat some big drops over that one. -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml The FAQ:

Re: 800k discs

2003-01-15 Thread doctor
Marten van de Kraats wrote on Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:24:34 +0100: They are the same as 720 PC disks. And who is Rip van Winkel? It sounds Dutch. In Dutch 'Winkel' means 'shop'. Rip Van Winkle refers to an early American story about a man living in colonial America who is cursed into a long sleep

Write Now on SE

2003-01-15 Thread PastrFisch
Howdy Mac Friends: Along with the gift of a Quadra 605, I was also given an old Mac SE. For years, (since 1988), I've used Write Now version 1.0. I copied this version of Write Now onto the hard drive of the SE so I could use it as a spare or back up computer in case the Plus or Classic

How much space in this Hard drive

2003-01-15 Thread PastrFisch
Hello again friends: Everything I've read says the Mac Classic has a 40MB hard drive. But my Classic says I have 18,017 in disk and 21039 available. What happens when I go over the 21,000? Did I happen to get a small hard drive and it's about full? Thanks again. Pastor Glenn.

Re: How much space in this Hard drive

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
At 22:01 -0500 on 15/01/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything I've read says the Mac Classic has a 40MB hard drive. But my Classic says I have 18,017 in disk and 21039 available. What happens when I go over the 21,000? Did I happen to get a small hard drive and it's about full? That's

Re: How much space in this Hard drive

2003-01-15 Thread PastrFisch
Boy, do I feel stupid!! As soon as I read your e-mail, I had a major moment of clarity. Now I get it - thanks again! -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Compact Macs list info:

macminix

2003-01-15 Thread Jan Wawrzynczak
got me a copy of macminix off the ol internet...i am proposing to try it on my number two powerbook 100 and/or the classic, has anyone got any experience/advise/words of wisdom/jokes for me? is it even possible? are there better unix versions for the powerbook?? -- Jan Wawrzynczak General Manager

Re: macminix

2003-01-15 Thread Scott Holder
At 02:43 PM 1/16/2003 +1100, you wrote: got me a copy of macminix off the ol internet...i am proposing to try it on my number two powerbook 100 and/or the classic, has anyone got any experience/advise/words of wisdom/jokes for me? is it even possible? are there better unix versions for the

Apologies...

2003-01-15 Thread the pickle
...to anyone who has sent me something off-list since about the beginning of October. With the demise of @mac.com e-mail addresses, there were some kinks that didn't get worked out with [EMAIL PROTECTED] until tonight. As such, I checked the e-mail address for the first time since October this