Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Dr.O.M.Betz
I did it! With the help of a little guidance I found on this page... http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/ ... I got my Classic II online on my home network - with a routed 4Mb Internet connection - from under System 6! Yay and verily even w00t! Congrats. And Phil's pages really deserve praise and

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently file share using my Mac 512 under OSX by booting up under OS9 which handles AT just fine. It's not that big a pain in the ass as it sounds, though I'd prefer not to have to do it of course and you may not be using Classic at

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/12/05, Dr.O.M.Betz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats. And Phil's pages really deserve praise and attention. :¬) Thanks! And yes, they do! 7.6.1 on a Classic II? Forget it, if you don't really REALLY need a special feature. A nice, clean system for a powerful machine (like a IIfx or an

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/13/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing wrong with the shell, It's... ideosyncratic, to say the least. I know DOS, CP/M, VAX-VMS, Unix, Acorn RISC OS and more I couldn't make head or tail of it. No help, no nothing. Still, it is venerable. the GUI is completely customizable.

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
No VM cause its not needed That's what Acorn said of RISC OS. They were wrong, too. Uh, yeh, the lack of VM in AmigaOS was and is a problem. TThe reason for it was that the original 68000 didn't support it, and the hooks Commodore put in for it (OPRIVATE and PUBLIC memory) didn't get used by

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Darren
Liam Proven wrote: On 4/13/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing wrong with the shell, It's... ideosyncratic, to say the least. I know DOS, CP/M, VAX-VMS, Unix, Acorn RISC OS and more I couldn't make head or tail of it. No help, no nothing. Still, it is venerable. :) funny, I

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/13/05, Peter da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No VM cause its not needed That's what Acorn said of RISC OS. They were wrong, too. Uh, yeh, the lack of VM in AmigaOS was and is a problem. TThe reason for it was that the original 68000 didn't support it, and the hooks Commodore put

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/13/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) funny, I never found dos anything but laughable, I battle on with some flavor of nix which is more like the cli/shell but then thats what amigaOS was supposed to be. DOS? Not a brilliant CLI but in many ways quite an elegant hybrid of Unix, CP/M

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
Sure, it was expensive, but really, the point was that the OS was pretty much unusable without a hard disk. I know, I used it. It worked but it wasn't pleasant. So the cheap price of the Amiga was illusory: to get it to shine, you needed to spend a lot more than the basic system price. I

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Liam Proven
On 4/13/05, Peter da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I developed software on an Amiga 1000 with two floppies, and it was fine. Boot up. Load a minimal system into RRD:, reboot into the RAMdisk, now you've got two floppies to use. Running from two floppies I had DMCS, Sculpt-3d, the

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. Desqview 386 on a v5/v6 DOS? No, Desqview was a pure round-robin timeslicer.

Re: PLEASE HELP ME TO CONNECT!

2005-04-13 Thread Joe Welling
When I try to install the software from the floppy, it gets about halfway through the first disk, and then it closes and says that the software could not be installed because of a disk error. Sorry to say, but it sounds like you've got a bad floppy. See if you can read the floppy by trying to

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread woodwynlane
Sounds like somebody needs res-edit! In my case, I just replaced the OS8 Mac-man splash screen under OS9.2 with the truly Classic Welcome to Macintosh Picasso splash screen. Now I feel like I'm using a Mac! JMHO. As for a productive remark, I seem to recall there was a Mac system key-combo you

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread woodwynlane
Zip drives, huh? Great! Put a minimal OS9 install on a Zip disk and boot your Beige G3 off of it to use strictly for file sharing. Should work fine -- unless there are things I don't understand about your system (didn't realize there could be such issues). I'll give Word 5 a go on my end and see

Re: PLEASE HELP ME TO CONNECT!

2005-04-13 Thread woodwynlane
I agree -- A floppy utility might be able to repair it though if you can't find the installer on the net -- I'm sort of new (again) to dealing with floppy problems (as I mostly work with disk images, so if a disk is bad I just re-make it) so I'm not sure what's best here -- Norton Disk Doctor

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Joost van de Griek
On 2005-04-13 16:00, Peter da Silva wrote: Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. Concurrent CP/M-86, 1982. ,xtG .tsooJ

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
Yes, an Amiga could do all the cool multitasking and so on running from floppies, but so could a PC if you had the patience of a rock. No, a PC couldn't, not in any PC operating system available in the '80s. Concurrent CP/M-86, 1982. I've used Concurrent CP/M and MP/M. It was quite

Re: PLEASE HELP ME TO CONNECT!

2005-04-13 Thread Steve Alessi
I found this web site with all sorts of Newton resources including the connection utility: http://www.chuma.org/newton/ncage/ I didn't try all the links, but it looks like there is a lot of stuff for Newtons. Steve -- Compact Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/. Support Low End Mac

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Darren
Liam Proven wrote: On 4/13/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are third party VM programs, all very fussy none remain installed, yet the mac emulator has no problem if the cpu is right, no (e) I have to say I'm finding your writing rather hard to follow. It would really help if you

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
OK I'll type slower for you. You can install programs that will give the amiga virtual VM. You can't, because the API that would have allowed you to usefully take advantage of VM got screwed up by early application developers who didn't use it, so it was never turned into a real VM system.

Re: Classic II MS Word 5.0

2005-04-13 Thread woodwynlane
Just checked a 6.0.7 system and MS Word 5.0 runs under it just fine. Is there a big difference between 5.0 and 5.1 that would account for this? Since you are running a Classic II, you obviously installed 6.0.8L as it is the only version of 6 that will run on a Classic II. I wonder if Word 5 has a

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Darren
Peter da Silva wrote: OK I'll type slower for you. You can install programs that will give the amiga virtual VM. You can't, because the API that would have allowed you to usefully take advantage of VM got screwed up by early application developers who didn't use it, so it was never turned

Re: Classic II MS Word 5.0

2005-04-13 Thread Nat
Hey folks... In hopes of putting this subject to rest, I run Word 5.1 under System 6.0.8 on my Macintosh IIsi. Has worked great as long as I can remember. I use it all the time. There is no reason why it wouldn't run on a Classic II under System 6 as far as I know. I use it on *my* Classic II

Re: Surfing on a Classic II

2005-04-13 Thread Peter da Silva
You can't, because the API that would have allowed you to usefully take advantage of VM got screwed up by early application developers who didn't use it, so it was never turned into a real VM system. I beg to differ, the end result is much the same and you have explained it well. There were