now on?
Quadlist, Vintage Macs and Compact Macs are now all one single list.
The traffic on at least two of those was getting pretty thin.
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At 10:00 PM -0600 1/26/06, Jeff Walther wrote:
I was quite active reading those newsgroups and now rarely visit. I
remember seeing Clark Martin's (a regular poster to this list
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computer that was discontinued before I could afford a computer?
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It might be an interesting experiment to try the Start-Up Disk CP
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Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:38:27 -0800
(I needed a socketed-CPU logicboard to use a Daystar logicboard
accelerator that
was specifically designed to replace the CPU on the SE/30, and John had the
soldering skills to do that
. :-)Picking nits--the 68000
DIP has 64 pins.
Anyone know who manufactured the Killy Clip? The two Lapis video
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change which
slot the PDS card is pretending to be in. All it really changes
is which set of address the PDS card uses. But since you don't want
two PDS cards trying to use the same set of addresses, it's good to
be able to change one card's address.
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The Daystar adapters typically have one PDS pass-through slot and one
cache slot that has a bit of circuitry in a PLD to make the cache
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to desolder the pins and clean the pads afterwards. Digi-Key
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that their logic boards are getting good 5V? With age these old
power supplies sometimes slip down to lower voltages, and at some
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all the leads need to release simultaneously. YMMV
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It would be cool to hack 8 MB of RAM into these old machines, but the
memory map coded into the hardware and ROM make it not very feasible.
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You'll probably want to use tweezers or some such to maneuver the
small SM caps.
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On the topic of Macquariums, I actually have a number of empty Mac cases
(still with CRT's for some reason) of the SE, Plus, Classic, and (one) SE/30
variety. I certainly don't need them, and
says 4 on the label but actually has the
Postscript module installed. Printing out the printer info page will
detail which options and how much memory are installed.
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discharge procedure for Compact Macs?
snippage
I would like to note that the only time I've been shocked by an
undischarged Compact CRT was when I tried to discharge the CRT. This
was enough to convince me that you're safer just doing your work
without discharging it.
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. There's another connector on the logic board end, but
it doesn't usually go bad. I've seen this lots of times. The
hitting the side of the case is a key clue.
Resolder that joint and it should be fixed.
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his iMac, but because a new Mac style floppy drive still went for
about $100 at that time and here was a kit that included one for $50.
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photoresist on copper clad board which is not precoated.
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., the proto services would be fine, because those
boards are .062 thick. But for SIMMs in our old Compacts and in the
vintage machines, you need .047 and the affordable proto services
won't do .047. You must pay for the full-service PCB builds to get
non-.062 board.
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for etching? Is there some
kind of stick-on material? The only clue I came up with seemed to
indicate that one needed an expensive laminating machine.
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Nah, the URL uses IP rather than hostnames. I'll type it out as
http://twelve.twentyfive.two-forty-six.fifteen/dissport/port.html
A very cool site. Thanks.
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drive = 2.5 to 3.5 adapter= 722U ATA to SCSI
adapter= SCSI to Mac Portable adapter. I suspect that this would
actually save power and weight.
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on one ver.
2.1 ROM, they won't need any more, so rather than run copies, they'll
just install it in their Newton. :-)
Spare ROMs are made of unobtainium but you can transplant one from a dead
MP120/2.0 if you get one on ebay or whereever.
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enough to slip that edge of the logic
board loose.
The logic board is on two rails/slots which are part of the frame.
You can't slide the board in and out once there's a daughter card
installed.
I hope that helps.
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what the engineering design connection was.
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the ends instead of contacts. Assuming that's the type of battery
installed in the older version SE, etc., then there's no reason why
one can't leave the machine in original condition and still have a
working battery.
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with a hard to pick out 1% Mac treasure mixed in.
Then again, folks occasionally mention their finds at the landfill.
How does that work? I imagine it would be very hard to pick out
anything from all the rotting furniture and vegetables.
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applications.
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grease or light machine oil to
the areas where I removed the residue. That fixed it right up. The
second one was sold and shipped without ever examining it (it was
still sealed, after all) and the buyer had the same problem and
simple solution.
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and TDMS but only wanted the former, and then checked Amazon
and found it for $1.99 + $3.49 shipping. MRUS is probably more, but
it's worth checking Amazon before bidding on Ebay.
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power--but a $15 kit took care of it.
My clock radio recently died after 25 years and given its behaviour,
again, I suspect the capacitors in the power supply circuitry.
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in the middle of a format and left the drive
unusable and unrecognizable to any Mac software.
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pencil method (as popularized by Marc Schrier's Clock Chipping
Homepage), it's really easy to non-destructively remove those old
surface mount caps.
A 15 Watt grounded soldering pencil is less than $10 at Radio Shack
and perfect for the surface mount capacitor and resistor work.
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chip installed in
teh PDS adapter, do you? The SE/30 already has an FPU, so having the
FPU in the adapter would cause wacky bus problems similar to what you
are experiencing.
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anything). Whether the drive is in the middle of the chain--disable
termination on the drive, but enable termination of the top data byte
on the adapter, if it provides this feature.
Termination is a mess when you use adapted drives.
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handy at the moment but Google would probably turn it up). You might
try any contact info you cna find there, but the prospects seem poor.
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is that one can not
salvage three replacements out of three-button windows mice. :-)
One must actually spend cash on a replacement switch.
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with the above. The one time I collaborated with him on a
project (the IIci based SE/30 ROM SIMM) he was great.
On a more ruthless note, should we give any thought to backing up the
content on Gamba's site? We have no information. So we should
assume that it could go down at any time.
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like most of the memory sockets are
unpopulated. I imagine you have a bit more capacity there. How much
memory does the thing have wiwth the card installed? 1 MB, 2 MB?
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thing in the world. Some might even say dry.
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product. I built this one out of balsa
wood and poster board.
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they come to about
$46 with shipping for the lot, unless there's a bidding war.
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Gamba had a supply he was selling to list members but AFAIK
no-one has heard from him in some time.
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conductor sends an extraneous signal to the drive
and the forever eject happens.
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is there, but the link for the development system
can't be found. Also the link for MacPascal doesn't appear to be
working either.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:21:53 +0100
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Jeff Walther ha escrito:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/development.html
At about 12:30 PM US Central Time on 1/10/2005 that link isn't
working. The page is there, but the link
and Reset high by running a
little wire from the power pin to those pins on the chip.
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sets of Apple Developer CDROMs that show up on Ebay in hopes that
they'll contain that kind of information.
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some large number (over 100) in stock.
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as the installatino disk
did).
Now the RAM Disk on the Plus looks just like the software
installation disk and you should be able to run the installer.
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The best NuBus video cards are the Radius Thunder IV GX series (T IV
GX 1152, T IV GX 1360, T IV GX 1600, and Radius Thunder 24/GT) and
the Villagetronic Macpicasso 340. Those two
often don't
know what they have and may omit the Pro or the II from the name when
it should be there--or occasionally add it to the name when it
shouldn't but the latter is more rare.
There are other good cards but those are the good ones with which I
am familiar.
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the recommended supporting circuitry in Samsung's documentation for
that CRT.
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that have three
MB of RAM just soldered to the board and no SIMM sockets.
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the trick, and as I wrote above, I
can supply the code files. I have no idea how many folks would be
interested. Many of the folks who have an interest are already using
a IIci or IIfx ROM.
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P.S. Do you know an affordable (~$1/chip) source of WD92C32 chips?
This is a Digital Data
need access to a chip
programmer, to get the code onto blank chips, and you need the
ability to build a circuit board that will plug into the ROM SIMM
socket, hold the programmed memory chips, and connect everything up
properly.
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the programmed memory chips, and connect everything up
properly.
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Jeff, I was wondering if I could modify a SE/30 ROM to put the chips you
programmed on them?
What do you think?
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Gamba and I considered this route, as it would tremendously simplify
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Power, so it makes sense that it wouldn't work, but I am
not certain. Do any of you know for certain?
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:47:08 -0700
From: Sherman Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Asante DT EN/SC on Mac Plus?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:37:42 -0700
From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: network boot
At 4:40 AM +0200 7/13/04, Antonio Rodr=EDguez wrote:
Jeff Walther ha escrito:
There was a key combo one could use in System 6 to switch the boot
volume after the machine had booted.
Could
would get all the
system stuff it needed from the copy on the RAM disk. I remember
reading how to do the key combo somewhere...but where is lost in the
mists of antiquity. Now that I've thought about it I wish I could
remember. I might want to do that again.
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sections of computers and networking on Ebay. I
saw an auction for something like 150 phonenet boxes starting at $10
or $20 a year or so ago.I doubt that happens every day, but every
now and then...
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of the dunderheads on Ebay.On the
other hand, I've probably conducted two or three times as many
transactions on Ebay as I did on the news groups.
Sigh. The reality is that the buyers are shopping on Ebay now days.
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shipping on Compact Macs tends to be more than the value of the
machine. This is the real problem with finding homes for these
adorable machines. You might find someone who wants to pay $15 for
the machine, but when they discover that shipping will be another $20
it kills the deal.
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a broken, dead compact for its
donor organs and fasteners.
Here in Austin, TX we have a store called Austin Bolt and Nut which
seems to stock every type and style of fastener known to man. Other
locales may have similar specialty shops.
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work on the Plus because of illegal calls to locations non-existent.
Ah, well, I keep a working 512 around just for that reason.
Megaroids!
That's why I keep a 512 around.
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could find a copy of
that any more.
What kind of development are you considering?
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a proprietary slot for memory expansion in which no SIMM will fit.
A number of companies made expansion boards for the Classic which
have all 3 MB of expansion soldered to the card, and in those cases
the Classic doesn't take any SIMMs at all--just a special expansion
card with 3 MB on board.
Jeff
exercise.
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aren't on the shelf, since they only shelve SE/30s in recent memory)
if they have a type of item in back, they always say no, without
looking.
Ah, well, it was a fun place to shop. But something is macabre about
how they decide what goes on the shelves.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:39:32 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Jeff Walther wrote:
I'm sure these methods have been worked out in detail better than I can
reinvent them, and there is probably a comprehensive
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On the site of Gamba is described the manner of giving 256 levels
Subject: Re: Need Mac Plus Keyboard
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I just recently rescued a old Macintosh Plus from the garbage can,
it has only
the mouse, but it does work. It booted fine to MacOS 6. But it
doesnt have the
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wiggle room. And if you get a second
floppy drive, woo hoo!
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to reinvent an Enet nor
USB controller.
Video and IDE would be a bit more challenging. But way back around
1990 the Outbound Laptop based on a Plus or SE had an internal IDE
interface. So it's been done almost 15 years ago, when electronic
resources were fewer and more expensive.
Jeff
understand why, ten years or more after the EOL for a
product, companies aren't willing to release these kinds of details
to the hobbyist community? It's not like they're ever going to use
that particular PAL design again.
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both the 1/2AA with contacts
at the ends and the 1/2AA with wire leads at each end, so it pays to
take a careful look at which battery one is taking to the register.
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At 15:01 -0500 03/19/2004, Compact Macs wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:14:37 +
Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are many ways to do the upgrade from piggybacking memory chips
on the existing ones and adding address muxing (I'd be amazed to find
was hard coded rather than set by what the machine detected at start
up and that limit was something like 1 MB. If I'm remembering
correctly and if he was remembering correctly, then you need the
512KE or Plus ROMs in order to do the larger memory upgrades.
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, though less
convenient (heavier) machines. My comments about SE vs Plus
heritage applies to the Laptop, not the Notebook.
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From: Derek R. Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: An Outbound on eBay
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:28:03 -0600
I think this would qualify as Vintage / Compact since it is based upon
the SE.
In doing my normal evening browse of eBay, I found this little gem :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
works as advertised.
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, someone would have posted a
message pointing all the buyers at Small Dog by now.
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are heavy. You can search by region on Ebay, or post
a WTB message to appropriate news groups specifying that you wish to
purchase locally, and there may be local resources as well. For
example, there's an austin.forsale news group. Your locale may have
one as well.
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CDROM drives
under that name? If it's a tape drive, you need Retrospect.
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. With the 8 sockets one could install two 1 MB SIMMs and six
256KB SIMMs and get 3.5 or 4 MB of RAM saving about $150 over what
four 1 MB SIMMs would have cost.
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