Sil wrote:
How about http://home.wwgo.jp/jp/minigo/
It seems that only 24 games are available. Is the whole collection
available somewhere?
Rémi
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Sil wrote:
How about http://home.wwgo.jp/jp/minigo/
It seems that only 24 games are available. Is the whole collection
available somewhere?
Rémi
I have read dozens of times that computer-Go is the next big challenge.
But in fact it is a completly amateuristic field where even the most basic
Hi Chrilly,
1) there are database of thousands of professional games for few
dollards. There are not 9x9, but (i) making database is not making
progress in the field, it is just having some temporary advantage in
tournaments. (ii) Opening is much less important in Go than in Chess,
it is why we
I just had an exception in Valkyria because it recieved
play b resign
from the server.
As far as I know CGOS used to to send nothing to the winner when a program
resigned. Am I wrong or has this something to do with the current stability
problems of CGOS?
Her is the end of the log. Game was
Le dimanche 8 juillet 2007 11:51, chrilly a écrit :
If it would be really a big challenge, there would be some money.
There was a computer challenge with 1 million dollar prize during
many years, for a program abble to beat one professional choosen by the
sponsor. I don't know if it is still
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 12:53 +0200, Magnus Persson wrote:
I just had an exception in Valkyria because it recieved
play b resign
from the server.
As far as I know CGOS used to to send nothing to the winner when a program
resigned. Am I wrong or has this something to do with the current
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], alain
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Le dimanche 8 juillet 2007 11:51, chrilly a écrit :
If it would be really a big challenge, there would be some money.
There was a computer challenge with 1 million dollar prize during
many years, for a program abble to
I've asked Japanese computer Go community if anyone have the database
(about 250 records of Professionals).
Dr. Saito replied today. With Mr. Okasaki's acknowledgement for
research purposes, I will be able to have the records soon. Please
wait a few days.
-gg
Rémi Coulom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sil
Mr. Okasaki pointed out that the records may be the same as the
records Chrilly already have. If so, I'm sorry.
-gg
Hideki Kato: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've asked Japanese computer Go community if anyone have the database
(about 250 records of Professionals).
Dr. Saito replied today. With Mr.
3) seriousness can't be measured as the short term money you can make
directly selling your work. I understand that you think that
researchers are paid just to play writing useless papers for themself.
But there are not more stupid than others, and maybe they think they
are doing something
Chrilly,
The purpose of investment is to generate a return exceeding the original
investment, i.e. a profit. Given the state of Go, I am finding it
difficult to imagine why an investor would choose to put any good money
into Go. There is absolutely no reliable expectation that Go will
On 8, Jul 2007, at 2:51 AM, chrilly wrote:
If it would be really a big challenge, there would be some money.
According to Herodotus The Histories right after king Xerxes of
Persia lost 20,000 men at Thermopylae fighting 300 Spartans and a
collection of less than 100 others, a few Arcadian
It seems to me that a domain where everything is so amateuristic has
its advantages, if you can only see them. Here is a field that is
small enough that most people know each other and anyone can
contribute with a certain amount of effort. These are the early days;
computer go's best years are
Chrilly,
It is hard to disagree with what Jim writes, but I will in a small way.
When I recently flew to Asia, the screen on the seatback in front of
me offered Go as one of its games. At its highest level it played far
worse than the average program on CGOS or in a KGS computer
David,
Very well said. Thank you.
Jim
David Doshay wrote:
Chrilly,
It is hard to disagree with what Jim writes, but I will in a small way.
When I recently flew to Asia, the screen on the seatback in front of
me offered Go as one of its games. At its highest level it played far
worse
How would one go about creating a random board position with a uniform
distribution over all legal positions? Is this even possible? I am
not quite sure what I mean by uniform. If one flipped a three sided
coin to determine if each vertex was white,black or empty, then one
would have to deal
It seems to me that a domain where everything is so amateuristic has
its advantages, if you can only see them. Here is a field that is
small enough that most people know each other and anyone can
contribute with a certain amount of effort. These are the early days;
computer go's best years
On 7/8/07, George Dahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would one go about creating a random board position with a uniform
distribution over all legal positions? Is this even possible? I am
not quite sure what I mean by uniform. If one flipped a three sided
coin to determine if each vertex was
At 21:54 08/07/2007, you wrote:
I don't have such algorithm, you can count legal positions like:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gunnar/legal.pike.txt
Modifying it could provide some way select random position atleast
for small boards. Ported that for java but not studied much of it
yet,
George Dahl wrote:
How would one go about creating a random board position with a uniform
distribution over all legal positions? Is this even possible? I am
not quite sure what I mean by uniform. If one flipped a three sided
coin to determine if each vertex was white,black or empty, then
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 11:23 -0700, Brian Slesinsky wrote:
It seems to me that a domain where everything is so amateuristic has
its advantages, if you can only see them. Here is a field that is
small enough that most people know each other and anyone can
contribute with a certain amount of
In normal board size 1% random positions is legal, so it needs some rounds,
but method is still superior propably any other if position must be random.
t. Harri
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007
steve uurtamo said:
I have read dozens of times that computer-Go is the next big
challenge. But in fact it is a completly amateuristic field where even
the most basic things are missing.
one thing that it seems to have plenty of is chess programmers who are
shocked and surprised that their
i'd suggest that you need to consider whether what you really mean
is a position chosen from the uniform distribution of all legal go positions,
or if you mean a position from somewhere near the middle game. (i.e. would
you be comfortable with a board with 4 stones on it as one of these uniformly
However GTP was way better than what
preceded it and yet even the top programmers believed GMP was
sent by god and anything else was blasphemy.
I have to object to this characterization :) GMP was very good at what is
was designed to do, which was to allow people to play using a 1200 baud
On 7/8/07, Paul Pogonyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
George Dahl wrote:
How would one go about creating a random board position with a uniform
distribution over all legal positions? Is this even possible? I am
not quite sure what I mean by uniform. If one flipped a three sided
coin to
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