[computer-go] Really great cinema by Many Faces

2009-07-22 Thread Ingo Althöfer
David Fotland wrote in a related thread: Many Faces does not test for mirror go. But it is able to produce really great cinema against mirror go. Today I ran a test game with MF 12.013. Board size 13 Chinese Rules, but with komi=-45.5 (in words minus fourtyfive-dot-five). Many Faces as White

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

2009-07-22 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2009/7/20 Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de: Ofcourse they can know. They just have to check for it. Those programs that do well against mirror go probably all do check for it. I think a strong MCTS could find the lines that make mirror Go useless. Maybe MF plays lines that brake

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

2009-07-22 Thread Don Dailey
2009/7/22 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com 2009/7/20 Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de: Ofcourse they can know. They just have to check for it. Those programs that do well against mirror go probably all do check for it. I think a strong MCTS could find the lines that make

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

2009-07-22 Thread Darren Cook
But go programs do not KNOW they are playing mirror go and would have no motivation to specifically set this up. So how is it that some equally strong programs have no problem while others do? I wondered if some programs prefer contact moves more? In which case the chances of them attaching

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

2009-07-22 Thread Don Dailey
It could be a matter of style as you say, not a matter of strength.My main questions is whether it's been established as true that Zen really plays poorly and Many Faces is brilliant against mirror go.Or does it just seem that way based on casual observation? The only reason I make an

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

2009-07-22 Thread Yamato
Don Dailey wrote: It could be a matter of style as you say, not a matter of strength.My main questions is whether it's been established as true that Zen really plays poorly and Many Faces is brilliant against mirror go.Or does it just seem that way based on casual observation? The only