Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Hideki Kato
Congratulations, Aja and David! Very remarkable win! Pasky, It's too early to conclude any, I think, because no records of losing games have been published, ie., no weakpoints of AlphaGo are open. I believe that the essential problems which come from current MCTS (bottom-up) framework, such

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread wing
In my opinion, the thing that programs do worst is ko. Lee did not play any kos, except one minor irrelevant one in the lower left. This game was so simple that the program could accurately model the whole board. If Lee wants to win, he needs to start 2 or 3 simultaneous kos. Michael Wing

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread valkyria
Hi! I think the technique of hashing move pairs from the search tree and reuse them in the playouts if the context matches, could plausibly be the major improvement of Alphago that we witnessed today. Another thing I noticed is that Alphago does not use any statistics from the playouts

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 04:43:23PM +0900, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > AlphaGo won 1st game against Lee Sedol! Well, I have to eat my past words - of course, there are still four games to go, but the first round does not look like a lucky win at all! Huge congratulations to the AlphaGo

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira
You may also want to check out AGA's commentary by Andrew Jackson and Myungwan Kim. They don't run out of magnetic stones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s On 09/03/2016 16:13, Richard Lorentz wrote: > I found Michael Redmond's commentary very good. Helped a weak player > like me

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Richard Lorentz
I found Michael Redmond's commentary very good. Helped a weak player like me understand what was going on, but occasionally went over my head, which I'm sure others appreciated. He came across as a class act. His partner, on the other hand, (I forget his name) was more of a hindrance to the

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game! Congrats to the AlphaGo team also from me! Von

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Xavier Combelle
This comment should be very good, it was done by a 9 dan pro, the top rank in go. 2016-03-09 9:27 GMT+01:00 Sergey Nikolenko : > Everybody here probably knows it, but just in case -- there's a > commented broadcast uploaded here: >

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Xavier Combelle
Congrats to Aja and alphago team 2016-03-09 8:43 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Yamashita : > AlphaGo won 1st game against Lee Sedol! > > Hiroshi Yamashita > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org >

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Congratulations to AlphaGo people! Are there strong humans who have an opinion, on whether this advantage at move 26 is real ? In pro games, does it happen often that there is a clear advantage at move 26 ? -- = "I will never sign a

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Darren Cook
Wow - didn't expect that. Congratulations to the AlphaGo team! Ingo wrote: > Similar with CrazyStone. After move 26 CS gave 56 % for AlphaGo > and never went below this value. Soon later it were 60+ %, and > never went lower, too. Did it show jumps at some of the key moves the human experts

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Congrats to the AlphaGo team also from me!   Von: "David Fotland" > Many Faces thought alpha go was ahead most of the game.  Similar with CrazyStone. After move 26 CS gave 56 % for AlphaGo and never went below this value. Soon later it were 60+ %, and never went lower,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Julian Schrittwieser
mputer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On > Behalf Of > > Jim O'Flaherty > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:50 PM > > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game! > > > > > > > > Congratul

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Marc Landgraf
; From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of > Jim O'Flaherty > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:50 PM > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game! > > > > Congratulations, AlphaGo and team. And by re

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread David Fotland
100 people. David From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Jim O'Flaherty Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:50 PM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game! Congratulations, AlphaGo and team. And by resignation

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Igor Polyakov
The amount of points AlphaGo was ahead is also meaningless because it started playing slow moves when it got ahead. After the big fights were finished it already knew it was going to win easily. On 2016-03-08 23:55, Marc Landgraf wrote: It was pointed out by Lee Sedol after the game and Kim

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-09 Thread Sergey Nikolenko
Everybody here probably knows it, but just in case -- there's a commented broadcast uploaded here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 I don't play well enough to understand how good the commentary is, though. With best regards, Sergey Nikolenko. On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Marc

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread Marc Landgraf
It was pointed out by Lee Sedol after the game and Kim Myungwan during the game, that Q5 should have been better at R4. I would say this was the final stage of the middle game. The result from the game left Lee Sedol with an unwinnable endgame. And "by resignation" is meaningless here. It is just

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Congratulations, AlphaGo and team. And by resignation! That's fantastic! Anyone know where the tipping point was? Did Sedol get the end game order just slightly off and AlphaGo took advantage? Or was their an earlier poor move by Sedol and/or surprising (and good) move by AlphaGo? I'm WAY too

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread René van de Veerdonk
wow .. congrats to the AlphaGo team!! On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > AlphaGo won 1st game against Lee Sedol! > > Hiroshi Yamashita > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org >

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
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[Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

2016-03-08 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
AlphaGo won 1st game against Lee Sedol! Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go