Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-29 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Detlef, >I gave pure DCNN 54% a try against the 15 kyu version:) did I get it right, that these 54 % were from normal 6-dan games ("normal" meaning small or no handicap)? I think you need "Mueller High Handicap games" for feeding the CNN. Cheers, Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-29 Thread Detlef Schmicker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, the published http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2015-December/008324.html I think, you can not win this with "normal" good moves :) You have to exploit mfgo Detlef Am 29.12.2015 um 15:18 schrieb "Ingo Althöfer": > Hi Detlef, > >>

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-29 Thread Detlef Schmicker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I gave pure DCNN 54% a try against the 15 kyu version:) http://files.gokgs.com/games/2015/12/29/mfgo15kyu0-NiceGo19N.sgf There was no pass handling, therefore filled an eye, without would have been 133.5 loss or so :) Detlef Am 29.12.2015 um 11:20

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-29 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello all, > Martin understood computer go weaknesses, so he played to exploit them. A > modern program > not specifically tuned for those weaknesses would have a much more difficult > time. Agreed. Concerning CNN bots (like darkfores3), a natural way would be to find some players of

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-28 Thread uurtamo .
That might be a stone or two difference for that software at best, no? s. On Dec 28, 2015 6:58 AM, "Michael Sué" wrote: > > Remember 1998: In the US Go Congress an exhibition match > > took place: 5-dan Martin Mueller against Many Faces of Go. > > Martin gave 29 handicap

[Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-28 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Remember 1998: In the US Go Congress an exhibition match took place: 5-dan Martin Mueller against Many Faces of Go. Martin gave 29 handicap stones - and won "handily". 29 stones - can you believe it? ManyFaces was a top bot in those days. In the meantime computer go strength has increased a

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

2015-12-28 Thread David Fotland
thöfer" > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:07 AM > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ... > > Hello, > > > > Remember 1998: In the US Go Congress an exhibition match > took > > place: 5-dan Martin Mueller against