Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland and Many Faces

2009-02-17 Thread Bob Hearn
On Feb 16, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Andy wrote: See attached a copy of the .sgf. It was played private on KGS so you can't get it there directly. One of the admins cloned it and I saved it off locally. I changed the result to be B+4.5 instead of W+2.5. Here is another copy of the game record,

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland and Many Faces

2009-02-17 Thread Andy
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Andy andy.olsen...@gmail.com wrote: See attached a copy of the .sgf. It was played private on KGS so you can't get it there directly. One of the admins cloned it and I saved it off locally. I changed the result to be B+4.5 instead of W+2.5. I forgot to make

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland and Many Faces

2009-02-17 Thread David Fotland
I think you mean Many Faces of Go, not Crazystone. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:08 PM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-08 Thread David Fotland
It was 4x 8-cores. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of terry mcintyre Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:23 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! I'm curious -- was this an 8 x

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-04 Thread Darren Cook
Is Microsoft now selling computers? Interesting... Sorry, after checking the Microsoft HPC site that looks like it was my misunderstanding; they are just selling the O/S. A shame, as Microsoft have always done hardware better than software. (Okay, I admit my hardware experience is limited to the

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-03 Thread David Fotland
Of Michael Markefka Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:18 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! So, when are we going to see distributed computing? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Go engines that scale well to increased

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-03 Thread David Fotland
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Boon Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:57 PM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! Is Microsoft now selling computers? Interesting... Let me chime in with my

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Fotland
: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:56 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! Congratulations! Yes, well done David. I see Many Faces won even without getting the loss to Mogo reversed. I was surprised to hear that there were now only thirteen entrants. Why

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Fotland
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Osgood Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:47 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! Congratulations! Both for the gold, and for defeating Mogo. I never thought I'd see the day that the Go tournaments would bring heavier hardware

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Fotland
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of terry mcintyre Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:23 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! I'm curious -- was this an 8 x quad-core box? Should be able to fit all those

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Ingo Althöfer wrote: Rank 2 for MoGo after tiebreak against Leela. Hello, the tiebreak is not yet finished! Place 2 and 3 are still undecided. -- GCP ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Zach Wegner
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ian Osgood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations! Both for the gold, and for defeating Mogo. I never thought I'd see the day that the Go tournaments would bring heavier hardware than the chess championship! You realize, of course, that Rybka played on 40

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Zach Wegner
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zach Wegner wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ian Osgood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations! Both for the gold, and for defeating Mogo. I never thought I'd see the day that the Go tournaments would

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Doshay
Huygens has 3328 cores, but I do not believe that Mogo has run on more than 800, the number used for both exhibition matches against Kim Myungwan. Cheers, David On 2, Oct 2008, at 9:16 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mogo runs on Huygens, which is 3328 cores...

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Mogo was allowed to use 800 cores, not more, and only for games against humans. We have no acces to so many cores for computer-computer games (if there were only three teams involved, we could :-) ). For some games Huygens was unaivalable at all, and mogo played with much weaker hardware (some

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Markefka
So, when are we going to see distributed computing? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Go engines that scale well to increased processing capacity, imagine facilitating a few thousand PCs to do the computing. For good measure, [EMAIL PROTECTED] as about 800,000 nodes

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Doshay
The @home systems work great for big problems that do not have time constraints. Game playing is interactive and people expect reasonably quick replies. The problem with @home computational models is that you never know when the user will want their machine back, so you have the problem of

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 19:17 +0200, Michael Markefka wrote: So, when are we going to see distributed computing? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Go engines that scale well to increased processing capacity, imagine facilitating a few thousand PCs to do the

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Olivier Teytaud
For the use of fast networks: yes, fast networks improve the results, in particular for 9x9, in my humble opinion - however, you have already a good speed-up without that, in particular for 19x19, and in particular if you have multiple cores per node so that one core can take care of

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread David Doshay
Yes, various kinds of off-line (not in-game) processing could be done. But nothing in a real-time game. Cheers, David On 2, Oct 2008, at 10:48 AM, terry mcintyre wrote: An @home network might be better for things such as creating opening books, testing algorithms, etc.

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread steve uurtamo
The fault tolerance is not a serious problem, even being tolerant against false result reporting isn't too bad with a decent error-correcting coding scheme for handing out the work. The networking issue is somewhat more serious. Not the actual network delay, but the mechanism that the boinc

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Zach Wegner
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM, steve uurtamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The networking issue is somewhat more serious. Not the actual network delay, but the mechanism that the boinc client software uses to process work requests and the interval at which people typically send back their results

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread steve uurtamo
sure, this would work much better, and is easy to implement (diameter is log(# nodes) if you set it up as an expander!). but writing it from scratch is a bit of a burden. i may have a project like this next semester for my networking class, if so, we can tack the rest onto it if anyone's

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Don Dailey
Don't forget that we are already using machines with thousands of nodes and so to really benefit from something like boinc you would have to do quite a bit better than this. And if more than one of us were to do it, we would be competing for resources with each other, not to mention the other

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Williams
Also you have to look at the amount of computation per unit communication. For instance factoring huge numbers is an excellent application for a grid because with just a few bytes of data, you can keep a CPU busy for a very long time. Regular Go programs don't fit this model. Maybe there

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Hideki Kato
Don Dailey: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 19:17 +0200, Michael Markefka wrote: So, when are we going to see distributed computing? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Go engines that scale well to increased processing capacity, imagine facilitating a few

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Michael Markefka
Hideki Kato wrote: Don Dailey: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 19:17 +0200, Michael Markefka wrote: So, when are we going to see distributed computing? [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Go engines that scale well to increased processing capacity, imagine

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-02 Thread Mark Boon
Is Microsoft now selling computers? Interesting... Let me chime in with my congratulations to David. Mark On 2-okt-08, at 20:52, Darren Cook wrote: investment. If we can find corporate sponsors, it should not be hard to gain access to such hardware. Reading between the lines, I

[computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread Ingo Althöfer
His program Many Faces of Go has become winner in the 9x9-Go competition in the 13th International Computer Games Championship, held in Beijing. Rank 2 for MoGo after tiebreak against Leela. http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=180 with table and sgf of many games. Today the

RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread David Fotland
Althöfer Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:30 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! His program Many Faces of Go has become winner in the 9x9-Go competition in the 13th International Computer Games Championship, held in Beijing. Rank 2 for MoGo

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread Ian Osgood
. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ingo Althöfer Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:30 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! His program Many Faces of Go has become winner

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread Darren Cook
Congratulations! Yes, well done David. I see Many Faces won even without getting the loss to Mogo reversed. I was surprised to hear that there were now only thirteen entrants. Why did Prof. Chen withdraw Go Intellect? I think he was having computer trouble and the loan computer would have

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread David Doshay
Hi David, Did you take those machines to China? Cheers, David On 1, Oct 2008, at 6:14 AM, David Fotland wrote: I was doing about 40 million playouts per move on 32 Xeon processors and he had eight cores. ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

2008-10-01 Thread terry mcintyre
Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 9:13:58 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland! Hi David, Did you take those machines to China? Cheers, David On 1, Oct 2008, at 6:14 AM, David Fotland