Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-26 Thread Don Dailey
Hi Jim, There is no black and white when it comes to right or wrong thinking. Each of us is guilty of it. You get an idea, try it out, test it thoroughly and find that it isn't useful. There is nothing wrong with this process itself - I view it as a device that trains your intuition. The

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
However, perhaps there are ways to make testing a Go program use less clock time? This is the right idea. Chess programmers use massive automated testing - playing games. To measure a small ELO improvement in your program requires tens of thousands of games.I think it's something

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: I know that most go programmers don't concern themselves with small improvements because of the sense that there is bigger fish to fry. But this is wrong thinking. If you can get 10 small improvements it can be equivalent to one

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Heikki, I'm with you. There is no wrong thinking at the present time. There are too many differing agendas, with building the strongest program immediately being only one, to claim any approach is futile, inefficient or erred. Once there are approaches that actually come near playing low

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
Heikki Levanto wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: I know that most go programmers don't concern themselves with small improvements because of the sense that there is bigger fish to fry. But this is wrong thinking. If you can get 10 small improvements

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: Heikki, I'm with you. There is no wrong thinking at the present time. Of course there is wrong thinking. Why do you think they call it the trial and error approach? - Don There are too many differing agendas, with building the strongest program

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Don, I think we have a semantic problem. Some things don't work as expected but provide the genesis for further creativity. Other things work, but not with sufficient additional value for the disproportionate effort invested. Some things don't end up having any enduring value except as

[computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-24 Thread Brian Slesinsky
Thought I'd emphasize this point: Don Dailey: I spend a great deal of time waiting on the computer, because I have no clue what will work and I must test it. This makes Go programming somewhat unusual; for a lot of programs, you can arrange so that compiling and running your tests only takes