Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Michael Alford
This is the problem we had with the link to the IGF article. The sense we made of the statement attributed to Ke Jie was he can't give FineArt h2 because it is as strong as he is. Thanks, Ingo, for the iink to the forum. I have the games and will share them. Michael On 1/21/18 6:22 AM,

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Hideki Kato
On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. #On even games (more than 2000), its recent winrate is about 98%. Hideki Ingo Althofer:

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Hideki Kato
Dear Ingo, Ingo Althofer: : >Hi Hideki, > >thanks for your posting. > >> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly >> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games >> against Zen and its

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Hideki, thanks for your posting. > On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly > young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games > against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. Very interesting information, and congratulations to Zen's performance. * Do

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Stefan Kaitschick
Ke Jie sacrificed himself to help the Nihon Kiin get off its high horse. :-) Congrats on your own results. > > ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] With English Subtitles: Behind the scenes of Fine Art AI

2018-01-21 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello, Stefan Kaitschick just mentioned in the German computer go forum that there exists a (new) Youtube documentation on FineArt AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ2BnFx8Ak It is about 40 minutes long and has English subtitles. Cheers, Ingo.

[Computer-go] Zen giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Hideki, > >> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly > >> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games > >> against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. > > ... > > Early December or late November, I remember but due to an > accident. HC games

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Wow! Tysvm for the explicit _online_ game record. White was FineArt. And Ke Jie, even granted a two stone handicap, lost in a reading contest in a life/death struggle between two groups leading to the resignation by move 78. That's astounding! Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO QA Locate

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
So the AI FineArt is assumed to have taken black with a two stone handicap? On Jan 21, 2018 9:41 AM, "Michael Alford" wrote: > This is the problem we had with the link to the IGF article. The sense we > made of the statement attributed to Ke Jie was he can't give FineArt h2 >

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Hideki Kato
You have to edit every game record as follow: (1) add CA[utf-8] and (2) divide the value of KM[] by 100, ie, change from KM[650] to KM[6.5]. Hideki Ingo Althofer: : >Stefan Kaitschick posted this in the German computer

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

2018-01-21 Thread Ingo Althöfer
That is the new world: Top computer programs are giving handicap to (top) professional players! "We" had the intention to have a handicap setting with DeepZen against a Japanese Pro in the European Go Congress in July/August 2018, but the Japanese organisation of Professional Go Players did

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

2018-01-21 Thread Steven Clark
Not according to this: http://eidogo.com/#EUexCx07 via reddit On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > So the AI FineArt is assumed to have taken black with a two stone handicap? > > On Jan 21, 2018 9:41 AM, "Michael Alford"