Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 22:31, Christoph Birk a écrit : On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Don Dailey wrote: But we had a 19x19 server and it WAS NOT interesting. Nobody seemed willing to play on it. Maybe that has changed now. It was not interesting because there was only one competitive program on

Re: [computer-go] Re: Former ... inhuman MC/UCT style

2007-10-12 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 06:10, Dave Dyer a écrit : Considering how monte carlo actually works, I think it's plausible to argue that it works best where the distance to endgame is small. And for a player against Mogo this is very un-human feature on 19x19. - Fuseki is done agaisnt a 10k

Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 01:32:44PM -0400, Don Dailey wrote: But what I had in mind in some kind of ratings agency where the conditions are controlled and everything is completely open. Here is what is required: 1. Someone with at least 2 equal DEDICATED computers plus a server. 2.

Re: [computer-go] Re: Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread terry mcintyre
From: Dave Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering how monte carlo actually works, I think it's plausible to argue that it works best where the distance to endgame is small. For a 19x19 board, the playing speed may be only a factor of 4 worse, but the effective learning speed for an opening

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread steve uurtamo
that just kills me every time i see the expression on yasuhiro's (?) face. losing the 5 stones is one thing, losing the second eye is brutal. s. - Original Message From: Tapani Raiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:36:01

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread Peter Drake
Or weiqi. Peter Drake http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/ On Oct 12, 2007, at 7:29 AM, steve uurtamo wrote: try baduk! s. - Original Message From: Chris Fant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:04:23 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread Tapani Raiko
Chris Fant wrote: Ho can I find Go vids on youtube? Searching for go obviously does nothing. Atari was also a good keyword here. There it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE -- Tapani Raiko, [EMAIL PROTECTED], +358 50 5225750 http://www.cis.hut.fi/praiko/

Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Osgood
On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Rémi Coulom wrote: In case nobody noticed, Crazy Stone won a match against KCC Igo this summer, with 15 wins and 4 losses. The match was organized by Hiroshi Yamashita. The games can be found in the KGS archives.

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread steve uurtamo
Hi Steve, So this doesn't get too lengthy I'll remove the stuff I'm not responding to. no problem. But why would it suddenly go log at some point nearby? This is the same superstition people had in computer chess for decades! Everyone had this gut feeling based on nothing whatsoever.

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread steve uurtamo
try baduk! s. - Original Message From: Chris Fant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:04:23 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go Ho can I find Go vids on youtube? Searching for go obviously

Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread Rémi Coulom
Ian Osgood wrote: On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Rémi Coulom wrote: In case nobody noticed, Crazy Stone won a match against KCC Igo this summer, with 15 wins and 4 losses. The match was organized by Hiroshi Yamashita. The games can be found in the KGS archives.

Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread Chris Fant
Not so crazy after all.:) On 10/12/07, David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at all the games and scored them with Many Faces and I agree with the result, 14 wins, 5 losses, and one unfinished early. It looks like Crazy stone is stronger than any traditional program at 19x19.

Re: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi, Thanks Remi for posting detail result. I add some info about this match. Crazy Stone ran on Quad Core (3.0Hz) x2 Mac, and used 6 core out of 8 core. Remi said its speed was 30,000 playout/s on it. (at least in first game) KCConGUI is a commercial version of Ginsei Igo 7 that is sold in

RE: [computer-go] best approach forward

2007-10-12 Thread David Fotland
I looked at all the games and scored them with Many Faces and I agree with the result, 14 wins, 5 losses, and one unfinished early. It looks like Crazy stone is stronger than any traditional program at 19x19. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread Ray Tayek
At 07:36 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote: Chris Fant wrote: Ho can I find Go vids on youtube? Searching for go obviously does nothing. Atari was also a good keyword here. There it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE searching for: go baduk weiqi returns a bunch. --- vice-chair

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread Chris Fant
How do I find the ones narrated in English? Do they exist? The closest I could find was this one which is almost unwatchable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uArhCnJu7LM On 10/12/07, Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:36 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote: Chris Fant wrote: Ho can I find Go

Re: [computer-go] Crazy Stone vs KCC Igo (was: best approach forward)

2007-10-12 Thread David Doshay
Why would you use 6 of the 8 cores and not all 8? Cheers, David On 12, Oct 2007, at 3:41 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: I add some info about this match. Crazy Stone ran on Quad Core (3.0Hz) x2 Mac, and used 6 core out of 8 core. Remi said its speed was 30,000 playout/s on it. (at least

Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go

2007-10-12 Thread Ray Tayek
At 04:31 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote: How do I find the ones narrated in English? not sure, i just found these things/ Do they exist? yes The closest I could find was this one which is almost unwatchable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uArhCnJu7LM all of the ones by her that i have seen

[computer-go] CGOS: Running a Java engine from Windows

2007-10-12 Thread Peter McKenzie
I just went through the process of getting my engine (Gonzo) up and running on CGOS. I thought I'd share the experience as it wasn't exactly plain sailing and others who may encounter similar problems in the future may benefit. My engine is written in Java and I run it from a Windows box. When