Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-23 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi Aja, Thanks for a game and report. I saw sgf, CNN can play ko fight. great. our best CNN is about 220 to 310 Elo stronger which is consistent Deeper network and rich info makes +300 Elo? impressive. Aja, if your CNN+MCTS use Erica's playout, how strong will it be? I think it will be

Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-23 Thread Hideki Kato
Hiroshi Yamashita: 37E4294EAD9142EA84D1031F3E1E9C7C@x60: Hi Aja, Thanks for a game and report. I saw sgf, CNN can play ko fight. great. our best CNN is about 220 to 310 Elo stronger which is consistent Deeper network and rich info makes +300 Elo? impressive. Aja, if your CNN+MCTS use Erica's

Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-23 Thread uurtamo .
I thought that any layers beyond 3 were irrelevant. Probably I'm subsuming your nn into what I learned about nn's and didn't read anything carefully enough. Can you help correct me? s. On Dec 23, 2014 6:47 AM, Aja Huang ajahu...@google.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:38 PM, David Silver

Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-23 Thread Brian Sheppard
A 3-layer network (input, hidden, output) is sufficient to be a universal function approximator, so from a theoretical perspective only 3 layers are necessary. But the gap between theoretical and practical is quite large. The CNN architecture builds in translation invariance and sensitivity

Re: [Computer-go] Move Evaluation in Go Using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks

2014-12-23 Thread hughperkins2
Whilst its technically true that you can use an nn with one hidden layer to learn the same function as a deeper net, you might need a combinatorally large number of nodes :-) scaling learning algorithms towards ai, by bengio and lecunn, 2007, makes a convincing case along these lines. 

Re: [Computer-go] Fuego 1.1 vs current Fuego

2014-12-23 Thread Martin Mueller
Hello Hiroshi, we want to release a version 2.0. There is still some clean-up work to do for a release and progress is slow. But there is progress :) https://sourceforge.net/p/fuego/tickets/ https://sourceforge.net/p/fuego/tickets/ Martin I also wonder Fuego could release latest

[Computer-go] Last move info as features

2014-12-23 Thread Martin Mueller
From: Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de mailto:stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de ... Last move info is a strange beast, isn't it? I mean, except for ko captures, it doesn't really add information to the position. The correct prediction rate is such an obvious metric, but maybe