Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Hideki, thanks for all your open comments here in the mailing list in the last few days. I know that these days (with the losses) are really hard bread for the Zen team. But "in the end" you will emerge from the lessons stronger than anytime before. > >When would be possible to buy a new

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Hideki Kato
Pawe Morawiecki: : >Hideki, > > >> An important difference from actual game is >> the search tree, which is very big in real, long-time setting >> game. One possible interpretation is, Zen read in deep and >> found the (wrong)

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-23 Thread Paweł Morawiecki
Hideki, > An important difference from actual game is > the search tree, which is very big in real, long-time setting > game. One possible interpretation is, Zen read in deep and > found the (wrong) seki, which would lead W a sure win and so, > played R18 toward this (again wrong!) winning

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Hideki Kato
We have set komi to 5.5 today. This looks worked fine. The strange yose moves were caused by unknown reason. We are seeking the cause(s). Observed fact: The upper left center three black stones cannot be captured but Zen looks evaluated them as dead. When Zen noticed the truth, horizen

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-22 Thread Paweł Morawiecki
> > > RATHER OFTEN the outcome was a score where both sides thought > to have won. In the 5.5/7.5 komi example from Go this means that > outcomes with +6 or +7 points for Black on the board would occur > often. > > It looks like this issue is serious again was a factor in today's game against

[Computer-go] Different Rules

2017-03-21 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi, now we see how clever the DeepMind team was (and likely still is). In both matches (against Fan Hui and Lee Sedol) Chinese rules were applied. Some years ago I performed experiments with Monte Carlo search in special non-zero sum games (with