[Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread Robert Jasiek
The current fashion favours general AI approaches forgoing knowledge details. Given enough calculation power applied to well chosen AI techiques, many knowledge details are redundant because they are generated automatically: AlphaGo does play (at least some) ko fights with ko threats, tesujis,

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 03.02.2016 15:34, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: BTW, I have my own personal aspirations which have been thwarted by this development. I have several thousand hours of doing my own research and development [...] although I will likely drift further away from Go as the focal point of motivation.

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Robert, How have these things emerged in the chess AI world following Deep Blue and Kasperov's loss over a decade ago? To what degree does "human expert details of chess theory matters" (where the term "matters" is pretty squishy). From what I can see, that is not what happened and while I am not

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread uurtamo .
Just as an aside, One nice thing about having "expert" chess players is the ability to easily discover cheating and to estimate the "player rank" of any move. Because the computer is effectively an oracle for that game, it gives incidental feedback about strength of any given move. steve On Feb

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread David Ongaro
On 03 Feb 2016, at 06:58, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > On 03.02.2016 15:34, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: >> Best of luck finding your way through your meaning and value (emotional) >> reintegration of this newest reality update. > > Nothing has changed (or will change when "brute force"

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

2016-02-03 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 04.02.2016 02:52, David Ongaro wrote: At the same time I've to point out that you seem to plan to get very old. I will not see the solution, which needs at least another 400 years unless computers learn to research. -- robert jasiek ___