Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-06 Thread Don Dailey
Here is an update from the new 1000 game test using gungo at level 8 instead of 10. Rank Name Elo+- games score oppo. draws 1 Gnugo-3.7.11 1800 34 30 2186 97% 11370% 2 Mogo_03 1507 48 56 186 16% 18000% 3 Mogo_02 1202 43 51 1000

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-06 Thread Weston Markham
I know that other people have mentioned this sort of thing already, but the result of level 8 being better than level 10 matches my own experience with slightly older versions of gnugo. As I recall, 8 was the best, 9 a little worse, and 10 worse again. Increasing the level seems to improve play

[computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Don Dailey
As promised, to answer Rémi, I did a study with mogo vs Gnu at various levels. There is NO self play involved, Gnugo-3.7.11 is the only opponent for progressively higher rated version of Mogo. Here are the raw results so far: Rank Name Elo+- games score oppo. draws 1

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Christoph Birk
Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. It's my understanding there is little difference between these 2 but we can probably assume Mogo might be a little better than indicated relative to the big scalability study. Don't you think it would

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Don Dailey
Christoph Birk wrote: Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. It's my understanding there is little difference between these 2 but we can probably assume Mogo might be a little better than indicated relative to the big scalability study.

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Don Dailey
Christoph Birk wrote: Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. It's my understanding there is little difference between these 2 but we can probably assume Mogo might be a little better than indicated relative to the big scalability study.

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Christoph Birk
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Don Dailey wrote: I restarted the test, will run 1000 games per level instead of 500 and I'm running on a different computer and only 1 instance so expect this to take a couple of weeks.I'll report any results that are not similar to the previous if it seems noteworthy

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Michael Williams
Good point. But he is talking about far more games than would be available with that method. Darren Cook wrote: Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. ... ... it's a major pain running those games and it ties up my machine. Hi Don, I

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Cook
Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. ... ... it's a major pain running those games and it ties up my machine. Hi Don, I just know your reply is going to make me slap my head and go, of course, but I've been puzzling over this for 2

Re: [computer-go] Is Rémi correct?

2008-02-05 Thread Don Dailey
Darren Cook wrote: Unfortunately, I used level 10 in the gnugo only games but in the big study we use level 8. ... ... it's a major pain running those games and it ties up my machine. Hi Don, I just know your reply is going to make me slap my head and go, of course,