Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Sigh. Computerworld's hands-on review wants to call it Windows 6.5 and says it is largely a big bug fix with a few new features thrown in. It says it is largely a big bug fix? Really? Where? Where does it say that? Where does it even *mention* bugs? Please be specific. You somehow managed

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
I don't always agree with Mr. Piwowar, or in how he puts things, but I think he is pointing out that a free MS anti-virus app could soon dominate the PC world The key word here, I think, is could. MS offers plenty of free stuff that doesn't dominate the PC world (see: Outlook Express, Windows

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Another reason why we don't want MS to bundle a free anti-virus program. It will just make it easier for the virus writers. Nice to know whose side MS is really on. So, by providing free AV software, MS is on the side of the virus writers? The logic behind this just boggles the mind.

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
If we follow Tom's logic to its conclusion, MS shouldn't offer anything free. It should make you pay for -everything-, otherwise it's engaged in monopolistic practices. Free stuff is bad on its face, apparently. I always find it staggering to watch Tom form his logic pretzels when constantly

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Another reason why we don't want MS to bundle a free anti-virus program. It will just make it easier for the virus writers. Nice to know whose side MS is really on. So, by providing free AV software, MS is on the

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Sophisticated folks will also know that putting a free app into the OS will kill the market for alternatives. That's the EU vs MS over the media player thing all over again. Really? iTunes was destroyed by WMP? SERIOUSLY? http://tinyurl.com/52qdtu

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Do you mean Vista SP-2? Or, OS 10.x.x? But, I keep forgetting, when Apple releases a version upgrade to the OS, it's because of the highly evolved and probing processes that are always looking to correct existing oversights and build on past successes to refine and improve the user experience.

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 23, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: I don't always agree with Mr. Piwowar, or in how he puts things, but I think he is pointing out that a free MS anti-virus app could soon dominate the PC world The key word here, I think, is could. MS offers plenty of free stuff that doesn't

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Matthew Taylor
As a long time user of both (Windows long before Mac) on the desktop, and of Windows and various *NIX's on servers (*NIX's before Windows), I would say the below sounds about right, substituting HPUX, AIX, Solaris, BDS, etc. for Apple on the server side. My progression was DOS, *NIX,

[CGUYS] XPostFacto

2008-11-23 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I was lurking around to find out what was the latest version of the Mac OS that I could run on some of my old Powerbooks, when someone mentioned XPostFacto. I became curious about it. Does anyone here have any experience with it? Steve

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread mike
This seems like tire companies suing car manufacturers if they came up with tires that don't need to be replaced. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:07 AM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: They ran into a similar problem when they were going to lock down the Vista kernel in such a way that

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Recommend getting NERO Info Tool (free) to determine motherboard and BIOS. My ACER is ACER board with Phoenix BIOS. If Acer uses Phoenix BIOS on one they probably use Phoenix BIOS on many if not all. So info on what beep codes are and what they mean for a Phoenix BIOS is at:

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
As a long time user of both (Windows long before Mac) on the desktop, and of Windows and various *NIX's on servers (*NIX's before Windows), I would say the below sounds about right, substituting HPUX, AIX, Solaris, BDS, etc. for Apple on the server side. Your experience notwithstanding,

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'll not disagree with your points except to say that IE did, and likely still does pretty much dominate the Windows world as far as browsers are concerned. I personally have no problems with any free applications, even if they are not the best for the job at hand. The WFBs are carefully

Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: [Slashdot] Class action suit against RIAA

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I understand tat a university legal professor has taken on the RIAA in defending a student at a nationally known us university. His premise is that the RIAA is being given permission by the us congress to do law enforcement work. It will be interesting to see if America can return to first

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Your experience notwithstanding, this is not the point of discussion. You're missing my point (or making it). In other words the WFBs do not appreciate your use of logic to contradict them. When a bug or security exploit is patched by Apple, or an .x version upgrade is released, well, sing the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
It says it is largely a big bug fix? Really? Where? Where does it say that? Where does it even *mention* bugs? Please be specific. What do you think the reviewer is telling you by calling Win7 version 6.5? He does that in the FIRST SENTENCE! He calls it Vista with the kinks worked out in the

Re: [CGUYS] Migration and DVD/CD Sharing Update

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
My Software Update on my Mac states that there is a Migration and DVD/CD Sharing Update. Why should/shouldn't I download it? That is so you can share your optical drive with the Air (which has no optical drive). *

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
What do you think the reviewer is telling you by calling Win7 version 6.5? He does that in the FIRST SENTENCE! He calls it Vista with the kinks worked out in the SECOND PARAGRAPH! You think that either of those can be fairly rephrased as Win7 is largely a big bug fix? Seriously? Here's an

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Another reviewer of Win7 who is underwhelmed... Is Windows 7 really Vista SP2 in disguise? http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_windows_7_really_vista_sp2_in_disguise * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

[CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId= 327354 Apparently MS is removing several very popular free applications from Win7 (like Mail). To get the free software back MS is herding sheeple over to Windows Live.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Tony B
This really isn't big news, regardless how we parse the author. Since the change to NT with Win2K, and the whole DOS front end with the Win9x line, the Windows line has been a steady series of upgrades, not a revolutionary jump. Who cares. They'll sell a million copies. Get over it. Learn it. In

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This really isn't big news, regardless how we parse the author. Since the change to NT with Win2K, and the whole DOS front end with the Win9x line, the Windows line has been a steady series of upgrades, not a revolutionary jump.

[CGUYS] adjusting pdf rotation

2008-11-23 Thread Andy Gallant
I received some pdf files of pages that were scanned at slightly different angles. I want to print each page so that it looks straight. Are there any free or cheap tools (for Vista) that will let me adjust rotations at angles other than 90 degrees? Thanks in advance. -Andy

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Brian Jones
Microsoft still has 70% of the browser market: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0 mainly because it is already installed when the system is loaded/reloaded. Since the hackers attack Windows most often, it makes sense for Microsoft to attempt to slow the assault via free

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Richard P.
I have two WinXP PC's (Compaq and eMachines), which don't sound out beep codes. Is this an option or are they just turned off? Are beep codes no longer needed? Thanks, Richard P. So info on what beep codes are and what they mean for a Phoenix BIOS is at: www.computerhope.com/beep.htm

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread mike
The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId= 327354

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Brian Jones
I have yet to see a PC BIOS that does not do this It is the way that the motherboard communicates a problem when the problem prevents normal communication (like text on the screen). It could be as simple as a mis-seated memory stick, or as serious as a damaged interface chip. The newer

Re: [CGUYS] adjusting pdf rotation

2008-11-23 Thread gerald
do you have photoshop? At 02:44 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: I received some pdf files of pages that were scanned at slightly different angles. I want to print each page so that it looks straight. Are there any free or cheap tools (for Vista) that will let me adjust rotations at angles other

[CGUYS] is this update safe XP-KB958644-x86-ENU

2008-11-23 Thread Elaine Zablocki
Recently some folks reported severe problems after installing a windows update. I'm not sure exactly which update it was... I know people reported blue screen of death... a lot of the conversation was too technical for me to follow. I am running windows XPhome. My computer guy wants me to

Re: [CGUYS] adjusting pdf rotation

2008-11-23 Thread Andrew Gallant
Nope, I just have Acrobat 8. I used to have an old version of PaperPort on an XP machine, and that could do it IIRC, but I don't have it for Vista. --- On Sun, 11/23/08, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] adjusting pdf rotation To:

[CGUYS] Net Neutrality [was: [Slashdot] Class action suit against RIAA]

2008-11-23 Thread b_s-wilk
I understand tat a university legal professor has taken on the RIAA in defending a student at a nationally known us university. His premise is that the RIAA is being given permission by the us congress to do law enforcement work. It will be interesting to see if America can return to first

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Both. Many do not have speakers on board or anyway to give you a beep code. Second they may also be dead. The beep code was a BIOS way of telling you there was an on board problem. Stewart At 02:04 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: I have two WinXP PC's (Compaq and eMachines), which don't sound

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
In other words the WFBs do not appreciate your use of logic to contradict them. The issue isn't which OS is the better OS; that's beside the point. The issue is the Macarazzi, and their useful idiots and lapdogs in the tech press. I think you're smart enough to understand that.

Re: [CGUYS] is this update safe XP-KB958644-x86-ENU

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Recently some folks reported severe problems after installing a windows update. I'm not sure exactly which update it was... I know people reported blue screen of death... a lot of the conversation was too technical for me to follow. I am running windows XPhome. My computer guy wants me

Re: [CGUYS] news fyi: Microsoft to offer free consumer securit

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
1) MS already has a history of trying to jigger Windows to shut down the competition for anti-virus software. Nope. They tried to lock down the kernel, which didn't affect most a/v providers, just a few like Symantec that likes to put hooks into the kernel to do things that causes the problems

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Jeff Wright
I am glad that This Time Microsoft Gets It Right. The issue is how much we ought to be charged for a successor to Vista. Should be $0. (Apple did that with OS X.1. It was the honest thing to do.) That was SP1 for Vista. It's free (which is anti-competitive, right?). Later. Rinse. Repeat.

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Fred Holmes
Classic (Legacy?) beep codes produce a single beep at the end of a successful Power On Self Test. Fred Holmes At 03:20 PM 11/23/2008, Brian Jones wrote: I have yet to see a PC BIOS that does not do this It is the way that the motherboard communicates a problem when the problem prevents

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId= 327354 Apparently MS is removing several very popular free applications from Win7 (like Mail). To get the free

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread mike
Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Stewart At 08:33 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7:

Re: [CGUYS] is this update safe XP-KB958644-x86-ENU

2008-11-23 Thread Richard P.
I installed that one month ago and haven't had any problems with it. Richard P. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Elaine Zablocki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently some folks reported severe problems after installing a windows update. I'm not sure exactly which update it was... I know people

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Richard P.
I'm assuming that the speaker would be on the motherboard. Would it be readily apparent? Richard P. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both. Many do not have speakers on board or anyway to give you a beep code. Second they may also be dead. The

Re: [CGUYS] ACER beeping

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It might be. On the old ones you connected an external speaker to the motherboard. I have not looked closely on the newer ones. Stewart At 09:02 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: I'm assuming that the speaker would be on the motherboard. Would it be readily apparent? Richard P. On Sun, Nov 23,

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Probably not. All indications are that it will be released in time for Christmas 2009 sales, which means shipping considerably earlier in the year, maybe as early as August. Win7 is already feature-complete, so they are only working on bug

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I kind of hope for the earlier than release date. I would prefer to go directly from XP to 7 and skip Vista. Stewart At 10:40 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Probably not. All indications are that it will be released in time for Christmas

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7

2008-11-23 Thread Matthew Taylor
Unstable, as in needs to be rebooted after most patches. Unstable, as in needs to be rebooted about one a week just to clear the memory leaks (I grew up with uptimes measured in months, and in one case, years, not days). Unstable, as in two server side applications can not be run

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:33 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. I've been hearing August on Windows Weekly. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o)