Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of Arguments sketch. No, it isn't! Yes, it is. Oh look, this isn't an argument. It occurred to me last night that there's another Python bit that's even more on point than the argument sketch. I'm thinking of Holy

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
That is not logical. The ad says if you are on a budget. So if I am not on a budget, it says nothing to me. This is not mathematical logical; it is human nature. Advertising pays attention to human nature. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yes, that is true. What I am seeing,

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
That is not logical. The ad says if you are on a budget. So if I am not on a budget, it says nothing to me. This is not mathematical logical; it is human nature. Advertising pays attention to human nature. Why are you insisting that a single ad has to cover all possible reasons to do

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-04-01 Thread Jeff Wright
I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, Who will join us in our quest for the Holy Grail? John Cleese, in his ridiculous French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they already have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, I told them we

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do they tout anything else? Advertisements build brand; MS seems to be going for the Wal-Mart image in this one. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why are you insisting that a single ad has to cover all possible reasons to do

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do they tout anything else? I already answered this. They currently have several ads with little kids showing how easy and quick it is to do stuff like making panoramas and enhancing/mailing pictures. They just finished the I'm a PC series.

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
It certainly fortifies and rallies the WfBs to spout nonsense! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of a million rending souls in the snobosphere. Please, Microsoft, make many, many more of these commercials. It's like a dog whistle for

[CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread Andy Gallant
FYI, Gmail now includes Autopilot(TM) settings to make email easier. There are examples and an FAQ. Is it possible that recent postings on this list were the results of pre-release field testing? * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread Richard P.
Well said! I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to start another debate. Richard P. FYI, Gmail now includes Autopilot(TM) settings to make email easier.  There are examples and an FAQ.  Is it possible that recent postings on this list were the results of pre-release field testing?

Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread Tony B
What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my gmail page. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Steve at Verizon
You got it. The ad says, if you are on a budget. You are correct that it says nothing about if you are not on a budget, therefore nothing about the converse. Your placement of the ONLY at the start of the sentence claims the converse. That is why I am correcting your statement. It does not

Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my gmail page. There is. Well, there is in mine, anyway. Right at the top, in red, next to Settings: New! Gmail Autopilot

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical proofs? I was referring to human nature, so when an ad caters to women, I stop paying attention because I'm not female. Doesn't apply to me; only women. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got it. The ad says,

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical proofs? This has dragged on way too long, but the answer is, When you claim that MS is telling us the only reason to buy PCs is that they're cheap. * **

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.net wrote: Actually, MS is in no way touting their operating system in this commercial, which is aimed at an audience which is indifferent to operating systems (hard to believe for this newsgroup there are so many of them out

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is called branding. When was the last time you watched a Movie? I mean really closely. Notice how many different brands are noticeable either with the characters using them or the Logo being front and center. (Bond Movies are notorious for this.) Companies pay big monies to have

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Steve at Verizon
Again, I agree with you. If you quickly recognized that the ad was for those who wanted a laptop and were on a budget, and you weren't, then you rightly should have tuned it out. Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical proofs? I was

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Steve at Verizon
You're surprised that the sponsor of an ad would tell you who he is and what his product is? I interpret the meaning of touting as telling you what is so great about it, not just flashing a product name. I repeat, for the nth time, MS is not directly selling Windows here. They are indirectly,

Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread Tony B
Nope, nothing on iGoogle either for me. I just ran across another one on the TechCrunch twitter - CHI.MP: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/01/chimp-lets-you-own-and-keep-your-web-identity-all-in-one-place/ As with Autopilot, it's completely feasible. Hard to tell if it's a joke. On Wed, Apr 1,

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread David K Watson
One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be the

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: That is called branding. When was the last time you watched a Movie?  I mean really closely. Notice how many different brands are noticeable either with the characters using them or the Logo being front and

Re: [CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again

2009-04-01 Thread Sue Cubic
At 12:53 PM 4/1/2009 -0400, you wrote: Stylish, Touchscreen 'Kitchen PCs' Set to Grab Consumers http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html Very KEWL! I always wanted someone to invent a computer about this size that could be installed flat under glass in a countertop, with a

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) Stewart At 11:49 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Apple computers are all over the place in TV police/crime dramas. Product placement. Federal officials are constantly shown staring at Macintosh computer screens. Their presence in these

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Apple computers are all over the place in TV police/crime dramas. Product placement. Federal officials are constantly shown staring at Macintosh computer screens. Their presence in these shows always amuses me because if there is one brand of computer that is, in reality, virtually

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) Realty TV is real, but reality TV isn't. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I may have misspelled, but Realty TV is not very real either!! :-) Stewart At 01:10 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) Realty TV is real, but reality TV isn't. :) *

[CGUYS] Audacity problem

2009-04-01 Thread David Turk
We've been using Audacity for several months now to capture audio from a reel-to-reel, with good results. Today, all we seem to get is a low-level recording with lots of hiss. Listening to the audio through headphones attached to the reel-to-reel sounds fine. I've tried several different

Re: [CGUYS] Audacity problem

2009-04-01 Thread Tony B
Bad cable or connection? You didn't say what it sounds like on the PC. Does a mic plugged in there sound okay? On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, David Turk dt...@indianahistory.org wrote: We've been using Audacity for several months now to capture audio from a reel-to-reel, with good results.  

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Comparing the Xbox with the WII is not a fair comparison. They serve different purposes and really are aimed at two different groups. I think it's just as fair as comparing an iMac to an HP laptop, don't you? :) Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Well I don't know about all the money plus I am not yet an empty nester. But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Stewart At 02:48 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, but I think that is because your non

Re: [CGUYS] Audacity problem

2009-04-01 Thread John Settle
Switch to the Line In jack on your sound card and see if that helps. David Turk wrote: (we're using the microphone jack on the back of the PC). T david * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)

2009-04-01 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, nothing on iGoogle either for me. I just ran across another one on the TechCrunch twitter - CHI.MP: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/01/chimp-lets-you-own-and-keep-your-web-identity-all-in-one-place/ As with Autopilot,

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I like their mice. I do too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Their keyboards and mice are one of only two brands I will buy. Logitech is the other one. And Keytronic? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) Not true. One of my clients is a magazine whos circulation skews to the seniors. There are many businesses who are

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
As WFBs constantly remind us, raw sales numbers are all that counts. You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what.

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical... I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread DBCfour
Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna In a message dated 4/1/2009 7:26:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popoz...@earthlink.net writes: That's about right. Enjoy your golden years! Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/1/2009, you

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The same with the PS3. Xbox made marketing smarts with the Netflixs deal. Stewart At 07:07 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In the case of computers,

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Some of those I do not use the others I cannot afford. Stewart At 07:26 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace

Re: [CGUYS] 60 Minutes story on deadly computer virus

2009-04-01 Thread Jeff Wright
Blissfully ignorant. Nope, just not hysterical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

[CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Hint: It is not a Zune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
I only brought up sales figures to give the WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers are not what is important. Nope. Gotta love how you make stuff up. I brought up sales numbers, not you, and only because it's the only conceivable measure by which you could say that Xbox lost to

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. Stewart At 09:04 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Absolutely. Video quality, audio

Re: [CGUYS] PC to Mac printing

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Which print server do you have or recommend for $30? I've used the Linksys PSUS4. It is $31. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?

2009-04-01 Thread Ranbo
*Depends on what kind of Queen, if you know what I mean. Given who asked the question, I'd say some kind of royal apple. Randall * On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Hint: It is not a Zune.

Re: [CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html For $600 to $800 they have got to be kidding. We have already established that MS's customers won't spend that kind of money. Why are these units so expensive when we already have net books selling for $300?

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what. You are having trouble following obvious logic. I think you are an autoresponder in need of better programming.

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Matthew Taylor
Yup - it is ultimately game play that sustains interest in a game system. The rest is chrome. On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in

Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46 TV it looks awesome. It is indeed, I've seen it. You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for