Part of this, too, is IT fighting to keep its comfort-level. The IT
support and OM folks I deal with are afraid of anything not from
Microsoft, since so much is. They blame any problem on the non-M$
product in a mix of 99% M$ products and mostly dread Linux or UNIX,
which they seldom see. I
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Many, if not most, IT folks are eclectic people. Most office workers
are not. IT folks often do not have anything other than work in
common
I probably have complained before about IT managers, but I am in a
special case. I belong to a major university in the DC area, and my
school has a small but deficient computer service facility that must
cope with a very small budget. After the IT director, there are only
inexperienced
I sent the story to one of my clients who wondered I don't think you
would see these kinds of problems in an all Mac shop. What is it about
Windos that brings out the autocrat?
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IT folks are not anti-social - go to any social event that attracts
eclectic folks and you will find IT folks out and about and getting
along just fine with other IT folks, artists, artisans, musicians,
alternative lifestyle folks, etc. Many IT folks are these things
outside of work.
I
You are being naive Tom.
As a past major university computing specialist I can tell you that
isn't so.
University's for one thing are saddled with the tenure system that
originated in the middle ages. A lot of university management is
composed of burned out/ tought out tenured professors
I suppose if this was a forum for money matters we'd have stories about how
bad CFO's are.
Mike
On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IT folks are not anti-social - go to any social event that attracts
eclectic folks and you will find IT folks out and about and getting
For quite some time our local community college was years ahead of any
computer labs in the state, it had the largest best run lab even against
powerhouses like ASU and NAU. Even now they run their own in house
department to build/maintain their own systems. No dell contracts around.
They save
Perhaps the reason Tom doesn't see well run IT departments is
because they have no need of his service.
As I wrote earlier, I do see many well run IT departments.
I am more likely to be hired where there is a good IT depertment because
they are more likely to understand that what I do is a
Do IT managers in your area control the cash? I've never met one that did
myself.
Mike
On Dec 15, 2007 2:39 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bad IT management can come in many forms, depending on perspective. From
the user, a bad IT manager could be someone blocks MySpace or that
You are being naive Tom.
As a past major university computing specialist I can tell you that
isn't so.
I was much involved in IT management issues when I a grad student was at
Penn. I was also one of those 20-hours a week students as an undergrad
and my son worked IT support for 20 hours a
I suppose if this was a forum for money matters we'd have stories about how
bad CFO's are.
Denial.
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It's not the IT people who are tenured. It's very often the Dean's,
Asst. Deans, Dept. Chairs, Research Directors etc. and they control the
budgets, hiring, staffing and direct the IT Managers.
And smart the are! ... but diddly they really know about IT in the real
world ! :)
As a
Lies, damn lies and...well you know.
When we describe actual IT horrors they call it anecdotal and dismiss
it.
When we show survey results they make fun of statistics.
I would say the bad guys are in deep, deep denial. They are severely
damaging their organizations and want to continue to do
Through past IT non-involvement, I've had to acquire quite a few IT skills
myself, consequently don't need IT assistance often (in part because of
all of you on this listserv). Yet, I enjoy working with the staff, so I
don't think working with computers all day alone can make one anti-social.
Many, if not most, IT folks are eclectic people. Most office workers
are not. IT folks often do not have anything other than work in
common with the rest of the staff. They get tired of small talk
about sports, American Idol, whatever really quickly, and do not seek
non-work
It is true that all to often IT forgets that they exist to serve the
users, not the other way around.
Unfortunately all too often Senior management forgets that IT can add
to the bottom line, not just be a cost of doing business, and freezes
them out until too late in the process.
When
out there; I just haven't
seen them.
david
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:34 PM
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Subject: [CGUYS] IT Managers
, December 14, 2007 10:52 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] IT Managers
Many, if not most, IT folks are eclectic people. Most office workers
are not. IT folks often do not have anything other than work in
common with the rest of the staff. They get tired of small talk
about
From my observance the IT/ management disconnect is created by both sides.
Management often expects IT miracles... too much from too little or too
inconsistent organizational IT support/ resources.
As a rule, IT people DO tend to be pointy headed specialists, prone to
their desire to solve
I probably have complained before about IT managers, but I am in a
special case. I belong to a major university in the DC area, and my
school has a small but deficient computer service facility that must
cope with a very small budget. After the IT director, there are only
inexperienced
Tom has mentioned it before but this article confirms what he is
talking about with IT managers.
How many managers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
If the troops don't know what they are doing the enterprise falls
to pieces.
Lies, damn lies and...well you know.
Mike
On Dec 13, 2007 5:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tom has mentioned it before but this article confirms what he is
talking about with IT managers.
http://earthlink.com.com/2100-1022_3-6222631.html?part=earthlink
Stewart
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