I've used them 3 times now for large pickups, never a problem. Are you sure
it isn't user error?
If it's a Dell product, Dell will do it for free.
http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/recycling/en/prod
uct_recycle
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Has anyone actually been to
This endless thread about old versus new computers with accessories
assumes a healthy business with productivity being a goal. A few people
not in this situation might find an old computer makes sense.
Perhaps a failure to think clearly about technology is a contributing
factor to not having
You should also try a wee bit of research for recycling options (it's that
thinking thing again). Service Source in Va. takes CRTs for $10 each. They
even will come and get them.
http://www.ourpeoplework.org/content.asp?contentid=381
Has anyone actually been to this place and managed to unload?
Bet it works well for construction plans...engineering drawings...
More like wallpaper (museum displays).
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CRTs? I haven't bought one of those in almost 2 years, not since LCD panels
became near equal in price. I'll be selling what CRTs remain once they
rotate out, donating them to a poorer .org or just recycle them.
Analog LCDs make *everyone* in my company happy, productive and none the
poorer.
Jeff Miles wrote:
Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy
a new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it.
What's wrong with that?
I think it all depends on what the car (or the computer) is used for.
My father kept an old beat up car, torn seats,
On Nov 11, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Robert wrote:
This endless thread about old versus new computers with accessories
assumes a healthy business with productivity being a goal. A few
people not in this situation might find an old computer makes sense.
I agree, and that's about all I can really
What about just emailing the file to yourself? I'm sure the computer
isn't so old that it doesn't have a slot that could be plugged into a
phone jack.
Or transfer to a server. Or FTP. Or peer to peer file sharing. Lots of
options.
My new business program wants to see the old version before I load it. I
could just buy the new full version. only about 12-15K. the old verson
is on floppy. 7 floppy, or whatever the size of that big one was. I
have a drive that I plug into the machine. I have not done it for a
while,
Let me give you another example where the new technology failed over the
old...
Problem is, one of the damned things borked the password we input and now we
can't manage it at all. What's the secondary management interface? Serial.
Time you acquaint yourself with the cutting-edge technology
western electric and bell ran the NYC telephone system on pre war carbon
switches in the mid 50's when I worked for them...Pre WWI !!!.
This was one of the reasons why it was so important to break up the phone
monopoly. They were not innovating. They were running ancient equipment
and
Another is when a contractor needed to use our projector for a presentation.
She had the presentation on a PowerBook with only a DVI video port. The
projector uses the more common (and still perfectly usable) analog VGA and
we didn't have a DVI-VGA adapter available. We had to rush around and
Not at all. She should have had a DVI-VGA converter, since it was her
computer and her problem.
VGA remains a perfectly functional video interface. Every single
non-graphics computer we have uses it and is missing nothing in terms of
performance or functionality. DVI in the business is a
It costs significantly more than analog video and adds nothing in terms of
value to the normal business app. I save *at least* $100 per PC this way,
about 15% of the total cost of the PC, for which our CFO is eternally
grateful. I can then use those savings for other useful technology or for
CRTs? I haven't bought one of those in almost 2 years, not since LCD panels
became near equal in price. I'll be selling what CRTs remain once they
rotate out, donating them to a poorer .org or just recycle them.
Analog LCDs make *everyone* in my company happy, productive and none the
poorer.
It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the
old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives.
I have no problem with someone continuing to use a product that still
works that relies on an obsolete technology. So long as they realize
that it will need to be
At 12:00 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
Date:Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:27:29 -0500
From:Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
I just think it's amusing for you to drag out the consultant's hammer and
nail problem resolution flowchart, telling the
By foolish, I mean buying new gear with outmoded interfaces or other
technologies, such as the ones I listed. That equipment is more
limited. I agree that sometimes it is necessary, but the buying should
always be limited and considered carefully, always with an eye for
alternatives that aren't
It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the
old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives.
Let me give you another example where the new technology failed over the
old.
We started using IP-based management cards for the APC UPSes for our
servers. The
On Nov 7, 2007 9:04 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have computers with serial ports AND floppies.
Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought this
year?
I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at least
two years.
For some odd
Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought
this year?
Required? No, the serial port is on in the default config. As already
stated, having a serial port harms nothing.
I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at
least two years.
I
I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I
needed it was to get the RAID drivers on my machine at home. But when
you gotta have it...well you know.
Mike
On Nov 8, 2007 12:06 PM, Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have computers with serial ports AND
Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy a
new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it.
Back when I owned a computer with a floppy drive many of the disks
I'd had laying around the house for years refused to work. I don't
consider that media reliable
What about just emailing the file to yourself? I'm sure the computer
isn't so old that it doesn't have a slot that could be plugged into a
phone jack. But that's beside the point. I have 2 Zip drives that
haven't been used in years. A floppy drive? How useless is that with
their minimal
I have computers with serial ports AND floppies.
Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought
this
year?
I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at
least two years.
There's an easy way to cut this particular Gordian knot, for most
currently
I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not
since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one
built into an ink pen.
Jeff M
On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote:
I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I
I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now
days. Not
since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one
built into an ink pen.
--Jeff M
If there is stuff you need at work or at home that's only on floppies,
or if you're using a computer that has a
My new business program wants to see the old version before I load it. I could
just buy the new full version. only about 12-15K. the old verson is on
floppy. 7 floppy, or whatever the size of that big one was. I have a drive
that I plug into the machine. I have not done it for a while, so
I just gave you an example in the email you replied to.
Mike
On Nov 8, 2007 1:23 PM, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not
since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one
built into an ink pen.
On Nov 8, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:
Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy
a new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it.
Hey, tell that to my boss! I'd love to have equipment that isn't
prehistoric. But it really, REALLY isn't up to me.
That's why we make fun of Rip Van Winkle the IT manager.
Was there a point here Tom? The need is real - the serial port is
just a tool required to work with these devices.
Cisco, Nortel, Juniper, Sun, IBM...
Looking at the list of problem vendors reinforces my point. IMHO none
of these
No, my comments were more along the lines of buying another plotter (and
computer) with a serial interface. If your existing plotter does the
job for you, by all means keep it.
Plotters themselves are Rip Van Winkle technology. Most have been
replaced with ink jet printers that cost a heck of
I always print out my 4 x 6 foot posters on my inkjet.
Mike
On Nov 8, 2007 12:25 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, my comments were more along the lines of buying another plotter (and
computer) with a serial interface. If your existing plotter does the
job for you, by all means
I always print out my 4 x 6 foot posters on my inkjet.
You probably think you are being a wise guy, but that is precisely the
case. I have clients printing posters that are 64 inches wide and using
multiple strips for larger displays.
On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Plotters themselves are Rip Van Winkle technology. Most have been
replaced with ink jet printers that cost a heck of a lot less. About
the
only application that still requires a plotter is a vinyl cutter.
Voila. That is exactly what my
Somehow I already knew that was the case. Probably have a parallel port
too.
Maybe, I haven't needed to check lately, but I do still have centronic
cables laying around. I still use a couple HP LaserJet 4 and 5's in low
volume areas, which won't die. They're networked, but they could run off
Reading problem? 64 is more than twice 30.
No. Do you have a writing problem?
I always print out my 4 x 6 foot posters on my inkjet.
You probably think you are being a wise guy, but that is precisely the case.
I have clients printing posters that are 64 inches wide and using multiple
strips
I have clients printing posters that are 64 inches wide and
using multiple strips for larger displays.
Tom must be getting kickbacks from the scotch tape sales guys.
Instead, I bought them a 30 DesignJet, instead of seeing their problem as
another nail to hammer down. Oddly, they're happy with
Voila. That is exactly what my plotter/cutter does.
You are one in a million, Steve.
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I have computers with serial ports AND floppies.
For some odd reason, they haven't yet burst into flames and they continue to
work normally. I didn't buy them to be fashion statements either, so maybe
that's the problem.
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I have a serial device I use from time to
I have a serial device I use from time to time. My serial port is all the
way around back of my dell desktop. I bought a usb-serial dongle for $7.00
and I plug it in conveniently in front when I need it. This works fine for
my notebook too (which does have a serial port-IBM thinkpad x31) which
Tom must be getting kickbacks from the scotch tape sales guys.
I think I'd get some funny looks if I asked my AutoCAD people to just work
with the $75 Deskjets and figure out the rest. In fact, I think I'd find
the tires on my car flattened if I did.
Instead, I bought them a 30 DesignJet,
Boggles the mind they get anything even done!
Mike
On Nov 7, 2007 7:10 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead, I bought them a 30 DesignJet, instead of seeing their problem as
another nail to hammer down. Oddly, they're happy with that.
I have computers with serial ports AND floppies.
Somehow I already knew that was the case. Probably have a parallel port
too.
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