Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Conkle, Daniel O.
Title: Message With Kennedy writing for 5 justices (and O'Connor concurring in the judgment), the S. Ct. invalidated the Texas sodomy statute--and by implication all other sodomy statutes. The Court relies on substantive due process and explicitly overrules Bowers. Kennedy cites and relies

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Lynne Henderson
Title: Message YAY - Original Message - From: Conkle, Daniel O. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Bowers Overruled With Kennedy writing for 5 justices (and O'Connor concurring in the judgment), the S. Ct

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Bryan Wildenthal
Title: Message Justice Kennedy's majority opinion seems to endorse a substantive due process liberty to engage in private consensual adult sexual acts, "absent injury to a person or abuse of an institution that the law protects." This language seems to me designed to (possibly) shield laws

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Earl Maltz
Does anyone know what happened to the case involving differential punishment for statutory rape? I must have missed it. At 09:53 AM 6/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: With Kennedy writing for 5 justices (and O'Connor concurring in the judgment), the S. Ct. invalidated the Texas sodomy statute--and by

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Marty Lederman
ion that the Court was about to overrule Bowersdirectly. Marty Lederman (a proud memberof "the lawprofession's anti-anti-homosexual culture" (see Scalia, J., dissenting, at p.19)) - Original Message - From: Parry, John To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:29 PM

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Allan Ides
age ----- From: Parry, John To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled I've just skimmed the opinions, and they generated several questions. First, after several years of the court being unable to figure out an approach to substantive

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Mark Tushnet
Maybe the strategy of insisting that Lawrence is (really) a sort of fundamental rights case is mistaken. (Certainly libertarians will think it is.) Maybe it's a good idea to say that the government has to have pretty good/really good/compelling reasons to restrict any liberty at all (subject to

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Francisco Martin
Title: Message Prof. Wildenthal writes: "This language does, however, appear to me to wipe out the U.S. military's sodomy prohibition.Or is anyone prepared to argue that servicemembers already sacrificing so much for their country should be denied the right, at least while off-duty in private,

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Mark S Kende
I'm trying to figure out how to descirbe Thomas' statement in the dissent that there is no general right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights. According to Gerber, First Principles at 58, Thomas testified that there is a right to privacy in the Fourteenth Amendment. Similarly,

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Toni M. Massaro
was surprised that Scalia omitted any reference to Graham/Sacramento here. -Original Message- From: Mark Tushnet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled Maybe the strategy of insisting that Lawrence is (really

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread David Bernstein
g. Marty - Original Message - From: "Mark Tushnet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled Maybe the strategy of insisting that Lawrence is (really) a "sort of fundamental rights" case is mistaken

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Marty Lederman
No. - Original Message - From: David Bernstein To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled So does this mean Marty thinks that Lochner was correctly decided?In a message dated 6/26/2003 3:01:46 PM Eastern Standard

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Zietlow, Rebecca E.
Iassume that David's remark was meant to be tongue in cheeck, but it does seem to me that the Court is returning to a broader approach to substantive due process. Are weentering a new Lochner era? Justice Kennedy, at least, seems tobe open to the idea . . . Rebecca E. ZietlowProfessor of

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread David Bernstein
discretion in economic regulations? In a message dated 6/26/2003 3:17:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. - Original Message - From: David Bernstein To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled So does this mean Ma

Re: Bowers Overruled (and Lochner)

2003-06-26 Thread David Bernstein
I should add that a forthcoming paper of mine, Lochner Era Revisionism, Revised: Lochner and the Origins of Fundamental Rights Constitutionalism, 82 Geo. LJ. __ (forthcoming 2003, available on SSRN) establishes, to my satisfaction at least, that Meyer and Pierce, cited favorably by Kennedy, were

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread David M Wagner
Title: Message This language does, however, appear to me to wipe out the U.S. military's sodomy prohibition. So indeed it may. OTOH, Grutter stands, inter alia, for the proposition that a state actor can have a compelling state interest if it declares that it has

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Marty Lederman
the decisions of elected officials, juries, etc. - Original Message - From: Zietlow, Rebecca E. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Bowers Overruled Iassume that David's remark was meant to be tongue in cheeck, but it does seem

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Ilya Somin
Well, it seems to me that you can logically believe 1) there is no GENERAL right of privacy in the Constitution (one that provides blanket protection to all consensual sexual condcut), but also 2) certain specific aspects of privacy ARE protected, perhaps because they are fundamental rights or for

Re: Bowers Overruled

2003-06-26 Thread Mark S Kende
During his confirmation hearings, Thomas indicated there was some kind of constitutional RIGHT to privacy that could be found in the Fourteenth Amendment. Is the suggestion here by Ilya that Thomas meant the right to privacy was totally dependent on the presence of certain other fundamental