Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-19 Thread Edward A Hartnett
I'm still not sure what Mark means here by positing that a situation in which a lower federal court reverses a state court decision. Under the statutes that have been in effect from the Judiciary Act of 1789 forward, the inferior federal courts have lacked appellate jurisdiction over state court

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-16 Thread Eastman, John
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes) With all of this discussion of the difference between nullifying a statute and refusing to give effect to it, I wonder how list members analyze Alabama Chief Justice Moore's announcement that he

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-16 Thread Eric M. Freedman
Upholding Federal Statutes) With all of this discussion of the difference between nullifying a statute and refusing to give effect to it, I wonder how list members analyze Alabama Chief Justice Moore's announcement that he will not obey a federal court order requiring removal of a ten

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-16 Thread Eastman, John
: Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes) This would seem to be an easy one for textualists (particularly those who would be inclined to be sympathetic to congressional efforts to strip the federal courts

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-16 Thread Kermit Roosevelt
I'm not sure I understand this. Lower federal courts can't literally reverse state court rulings; that's the point of Rooker-Feldman. And in practice I know that at least some state supreme courts do not consider themselves bound by the rulings of their federal circuit, though they tend to

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-16 Thread Mark Graber
We may not be disagreeing, in large part because I think the framers had no generally agreed upon theory (or even broad understanding) of the distinction presently made between judicial review and judicial supremacy. My point is simply this. A lower federal court reverses a state court decision.

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-15 Thread Robert Justin Lipkin
Perhaps I misread Bill's original post. I thought the issue was whether the same court (in my example, this would be the Supreme Court only) could, in any given case, make two different constitutional decisions: (1) nullify the law or (2) refuse to give the law effect. My interest in this issue

Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-15 Thread Parry, John
With all of this discussion of the difference between nullifying a statute and refusing to give effect to it, I wonder how list members analyze Alabama Chief Justice Moore's announcement that he will not obey a federal court order requiring removal of a ten commandments monument? The

Re: Cooper Redux? (Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes)

2003-08-15 Thread Michael MASINTER
I analyze Judge Moore's statements as deceptive and misleading (his description of the Reynolds litigation is so inaccurate as to suggest that he is either incompetent or dishonest) and contrary to Walker v. City of Birmingham. He deliberately refrained from seeking a stay of the mandate of the

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Bill Funk
Randy Barnett wrote: I have an article now pending at law reviews called, The Original Meaning of the Judicial Power, in which I respond to Leonard Levy and others who claim that judicial nullification of unconstitutional laws was not established

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread howard gillman
Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:43 am Subject: Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes Randy Barnett wrote: I have an article now pending at law reviews called, The Original Meaning of the Judicial Power, in which I respond to Leonard Levy and others who claim

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Randy Barnett
I have an article now pending at law reviews called, The Original Meaning of the Judicial Power, in which I respond to Leonard Levy and others who claim that judicial nullification of unconstitutional laws was not established at the time of the founding. The evidence from the

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Francisco Martin
Upholding Federal Statutes I have an article now pending at law reviews called, “The Original Meaning of the Judicial Power,” in which I respond to Leonard Levy and others who claim that judicial nullification of unconstitutional laws was not established at the time of the founding. The evidence from

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Bill Funk
Robert Justin Lipkin wrote: [a lot about the following: In a message dated 8/14/2003 2:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whether courts can "nullify" unconstitutional laws, or whether courts will simply not give effect to unconstitutional laws in cases pending

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Louise Weinberg
: Could you give us a few cites from the writings of the Founders recognizing judicial nullification of unconstitutional federal laws? Francisco Forrest Martin - Original Message - From: Randy Barnett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/14/2003 12:44:54 PM Subject: Re: Marshall Upholding Federal

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Louise Weinberg
Dear Bill, You are right about this point. In modern terms, Marbury holds that if you read the statute the way Marbury was suggesting (as a jurisdictional grant) it would be constitutional. We might say the law was declared unconstitutional as applied. ~ As applied to Marbury's case, in its

Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes

2003-08-14 Thread Louise Weinberg
] -Original Message- From: Randy Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Marshall Upholding Federal Statutes I have an article now pending at law reviews called, The Original Meaning of the Judicial Power, in which I