On 5 Aug 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
Yep, I knew one was definitely coming back.
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 03:33, Adam Williamson wrote:
and then maybe you won't get spanked. But of course I don't really
I don't see me getting spanked by anyone but you. Now where does that
imply the
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 06:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
Not really, I'm just quoting what you said and pointing out how stupid
and idiotic it was. Just like you do to others very frequently. Quite
It was, IN YOUR OPINION.
naturally you're backpedaling since you don't like that and now you'd
like
On Tue Aug 05 13:02 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:56, Levi Ramsey a écrit :
I've been thinking that maybe a DrakSudo module in DrakX might be useful
as well, to help get a working sudoers configuration. With a proper
sudo setup, root login is
Yep, I knew one was definitely coming back.
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 03:33, Adam Williamson wrote:
and then maybe you won't get spanked. But of course I don't really
I don't see me getting spanked by anyone but you. Now where does that
imply the problem lies?
Same place it always was with
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:59, Adam Williamson wrote:
I think you're placing entirely too much emphasis on the choice of words
Not really, I'm just quoting what you said and pointing out how stupid
and idiotic it was. Just like you do to others very frequently. Quite
naturally you're
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(but this would be much cooler if you could store msec settings in LDAP,
don't you think?).
Wow, that's a sweet concept.
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 07:24 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
On Monday 04 August 2003 02:11 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
Can someone tell me what the problem is, something besides
Here is my list:
No clock
No hostname display
Cannot customize graphic
I don't like the way it looks
When I click
Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:56, Levi Ramsey a écrit :
I've been thinking that maybe a DrakSudo module in DrakX might be useful
as well, to help get a working sudoers configuration. With a proper
sudo setup, root login is truly unnecessary for a large percentage of
administrative tasks. If this
On Monday 04 August 2003 02:11 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
All the configuration tools work. Sure, you might want to know that it's
not the standard kdm, but no-one was purposely hiding this from you ...
But it wasn't advertised either.
Can someone tell me what the problem is, something besides
On Monday 04 August 2003 08:33 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:26, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root
You are a Bad and Foul Person dialogs from the distro. (now i
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FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:56, Levi Ramsey a écrit :
I've been thinking that maybe a DrakSudo module in DrakX might be useful
as well, to help get a working sudoers configuration. With a proper
sudo setup, root login is truly
Le Sunday 03 August 2003 16:37, Ken Thompson a écrit :
I hope Mandrake get's the hint, I see a lot of dislike for mdkkdm showing
up here and on the experts list. I personally detest mdkddm!!!
HEY Mandrake - Listen to your users this time around..
At least give a choice during install, leave
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On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:20 pm, Robert L Martin wrote:
I think something along this line is what I was trying to get accross.. I
wasn't at all emotional, just pointing out that many others don't like
mdkkdm
and that I
Le dim 03/08/2003 à 19:53, Dave Cotton a écrit :
Just to show a non negative approach, I went into MCC and enabled mdkkdm
and it was installed, as I had kdm set up _not_ to show icons and to use
the last login, I must say mdkkdm picked up this config.
So the problem for me, from the last time
Le dim 03/08/2003 à 17:41, Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Ben Reser wrote:
As far as I know mdkkdm doesn't let you type in a user name (I haven't
tried it in a long time). That's the one thing that bugs me. I prefer
to keep the list of users displayed down but there are some
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Le dim 03/08/2003 à 17:41, Buchan Milne a écrit :
I don't even want to look for it. I'd rather swith to gdm just for
cosmetic reasons.
IMHO, when the user select auth by NIS or LDAP or Samba, DrakX should
disable list view
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 03:15, Ken Thompson a écrit :
I think something along this line is what I was trying to get accross.. I
wasn't at all emotional, just pointing out that many others don't like mdkkdm
and that I personally detest it. NO, the reason I detest it is not because I
can't log in
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FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 03:15, Ken Thompson a écrit :
But it's a good point. I set up several workstation and /home is an NFS
share. So as during isntall I can't specify NFS share, I have to log
with the user with a local
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Le dim 03/08/2003 à 19:53, Dave Cotton a écrit :
Just to show a non negative approach, I went into MCC and enabled mdkkdm
and it was installed, as I had kdm set up _not_ to show icons and to use
the last login, I must say
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:07, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
IMHO when using NIS/LDAP/Samba auth, all dm should default too no users
list
I have systems set up using LTSP, in a school there may be well over 200
users, but perhaps only 15 terminals are active at one time. IMHO too
many people are
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root You are a Bad and
Foul Person dialogs from the distro. (now i would not enable auto log in for Root
like certain companies do)
Why? Logging into a GUI as root *is* bad and
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 11:29, Buchan Milne a écrit :
Well, then you must be using LDAP or NIS, so you should put automount
maps in LDAP or NIS, and drakauth should add nis/ldap to the automount
line of /etc/nsswitch.conf (which I will try and look at today).
Then, you *never* have to worry
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 11:34, Buchan Milne a écrit :
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Le dim 03/08/2003 à 19:53, Dave Cotton a écrit :
So the problem for me, from the last time I updated and allowed mdkkdm,
was that it defaulted to showing all the logins,
Am Montag, 4. August 2003 16:06 schrieb Lyvim Xaphir:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 09:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
If I want to run kdm, I don't want the system telling me I can't
uninstall mdkkdm because some marketing psycho freak at Mandrake thinks
mdkkdm will be good for advertising.
WTF? Choose
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:26, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root
You are a Bad and Foul Person dialogs from the distro. (now i would
not enable auto log in for Root like certain
On Monday 04 August 2003 04:13 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
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Ken Thompson wrote:
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:20 pm, Robert L Martin wrote:
I think something along this line is what I was trying to get accross.. I
wasn't at all emotional, just
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Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
If I want to run kdm, I don't want the system telling me I can't
uninstall mdkkdm because some marketing psycho freak at Mandrake thinks
mdkkdm will be good for advertising.
You can uninstall mdkkdm, and since just before 9.1
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 14:06, Lyvim Xaphir a écrit :
The lack of choice in the matter is what pisses people off. It's the
whole reason why there have been other problems elsewhere, like the
rpmdrake fiasco.
200% agree with :
- this say I need this, I do it install it ?
- go to rpmdrake ... no
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 09:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le lun 04/08/2003 à 03:15, Ken Thompson a écrit :
I think something along this line is what I was trying to get accross.. I
wasn't at all emotional, just pointing out that many others don't like mdkkdm
and that I personally detest it.
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:33, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:26, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root
You are a Bad and Foul Person dialogs from the distro. (now i would
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:43, Buchan Milne wrote:
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Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
If I want to run kdm, I don't want the system telling me I can't
uninstall mdkkdm because some marketing psycho freak at Mandrake thinks
mdkkdm will be good for
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Ken Thompson wrote:
Logging in as root is really not the issue, being able to type the
name/password pair of any user of my choice is the issue.
As has been mentioned, with many users, which I don't have, the icon
list is
too big to be
On Monday 04 August 2003 11:11, Ken Thompson wrote:
If security is in question, then simply configure mdkkdm to not show any
user icons requiring the person logging in to know the username/password
Actually, I had a client a few years ago who was a bank, and some bank
examiners came in and
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On Monday 04 August 2003 11:11, Ken Thompson wrote:
If security is in question, then simply configure mdkkdm to not show any
user icons requiring the person logging in to know the username/password
Actually, I had a client a few years
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:51, Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Montag, 4. August 2003 16:06 schrieb Lyvim Xaphir:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 09:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
If I want to run kdm, I don't want the system telling me I can't
uninstall mdkkdm because some marketing psycho freak at Mandrake
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:38:18 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:51, Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Montag, 4. August 2003 16:06 schrieb Lyvim Xaphir:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 09:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
If I want to run kdm, I don't want the system telling me I can't
uninstall
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 11:11, Ken Thompson wrote:
Logging in as root is really not the issue, being able to type the
name/password pair of any user of my choice is the issue.
As has been mentioned, with many users, which I don't have, the icon list is
too big to be comfortable. So, what I'm
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On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:30, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2003, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
Sure you can. Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager
No wonder I'd never seen that setting before.
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 11:20, Buchan Milne wrote:
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Ken Thompson wrote:
Logging in as root is really not the issue, being able to type the
name/password pair of any user of my choice is the issue.
As has been mentioned, with many users, which I
On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:30, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2003, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
Sure you can. Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager
No wonder I'd never seen that setting before. Shouldn't that be under System
rather than Hardware?
I feel
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 16:53, Frederic Crozat wrote:
More info on Godwin point :
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
Ahhh, it warms my heart to see people starting to cite Wikipedia :).
Good article, that.
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 11:53, Frederic Crozat wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:38:18 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 10:51, Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Montag, 4. August 2003 16:06 schrieb Lyvim Xaphir:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 09:10, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
If I want to run
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 11:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:33, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:26, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would strip all of the You are logged in as Root
You are a
On Monday 04 August 2003 12:32, Buchan Milne wrote:
The only possible bug report for your experience is possibly requesting
a default to kdebase-kdm instead of mdkkdm. All your other issues are
addressed by tools made available to you for that purpose, you just
didn't use them ...
I was
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On Monday 04 August 2003 12:32, Buchan Milne wrote:
Having used the KDE control center to change login manager settings as
long as
we've been running KDE, being that the login manager still appeared to
be a
Qt app and knowing
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 18:04, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 11:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:33, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:26, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:20, Robert L Martin wrote:
And personally i would
On Monday 04 August 2003 09:20 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
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Ken Thompson wrote:
Logging in as root is really not the issue, being able to type the
name/password pair of any user of my choice is the issue.
As has been mentioned, with many users,
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:33, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
Your responsibility ends exactly after you tell them the
consequences. After that, if they still exercise their freedom of
choice and log in as root, it is NONE of your damn business.
That's what the this-is-naughty splash does, no? And doesn't it
On Mon Aug 04 12:13 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
Until we have a best practices for administrative accounts or similar
document which the user will easily find (win2k3 has a document like
this) which suggests never logging in as root etc etc (win2k3 suggests
that you should never log in as
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:34, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
Most installations will have only one. I prefer KDM but *not* MdkKDM.
Cheers; Leon
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:01, Gary L. Greene wrote:
If you don't like seeing all the users, open kcontrol and edit
the login manager settings.
Perhaps this could be mentioned somewhere as a tip or during
installation?
Cheers; Leon
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:05, Dave Cotton wrote:
No, he wants to start l'Académie anglaise,
Oh, jam it up your ordinateur! (-:
Cheers; Leon
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:58 am, Leon Brooks wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:34, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
Most installations
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Ken Thompson wrote:
I hope Mandrake get's the hint, I see a lot of dislike for mdkkdm showing up
here and on the experts list. I personally detest mdkddm!!!
HEY Mandrake - Listen to your users this time around..
At least give a choice during install, leave mdkkdm as
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 04:45:04PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
Instead of emotional outbursts, please rather document the reasons you
don't like mdkkdm, as others have done on the cooker wiki. Maybe the only
reason you detest mdkkdm is that you can't log in as root by default, and
if they
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Ben Reser wrote:
As far as I know mdkkdm doesn't let you type in a user name (I haven't
tried it in a long time). That's the one thing that bugs me. I prefer
to keep the list of users displayed down but there are some users that I
want to log in as from time to time
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Well, with mdkkdm you can have either one or the other, but not both. You
can get to user selections in the icon version by typing, but you can't
log in as a user not in the list.
Try setting your security level to
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Todd Lyons wrote:
Well, with mdkkdm you can have either one or the other, but not both. You
can get to user selections in the icon version by typing, but you can't
log in as a user not in the list.
Try setting your security level to 3. It works for me and lets me
Instead of emotional outbursts, please rather document the reasons you
don't like mdkkdm, as others have done on the cooker wiki. Maybe the only
reason you detest mdkkdm is that you can't log in as root by default, and
if they change the default to be kdm, maybe they will disable root login
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 20:51, Todd Lyons wrote:
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Well, with mdkkdm you can have either one or the other, but not both. You
can get to user selections in the icon version by typing, but you can't
log in as a user not
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:20 pm, Robert L Martin wrote:
Instead of emotional outbursts, please rather document the reasons you
don't like mdkkdm, as others have done on the cooker wiki. Maybe the only
reason you detest mdkkdm is that you can't log in as root by default, and
if they change
Le Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:34:44 -0500, Joe Baker a écrit :
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
Add DISPLAYMANAGER=gdm in /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
gdm integrates
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On Saturday 02 August 2003 03:12 am, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:34:44 -0500, Joe Baker a écrit :
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 06:31, Duncan wrote:
The term a lot is two separate words (and isn't considered formally correct
either, BTW, altho colloquial usage is recognized). It means, as you were
What the hell do you mean, isn't considered formally correct? I've
never seen any authority at
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 08:12, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:34:44 -0500, Joe Baker a écrit :
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
Add
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 11:53, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 06:31, Duncan wrote:
The term a lot is two separate words (and isn't considered formally correct
either, BTW, altho colloquial usage is recognized). It means, as you were
What the hell do you mean, isn't
kdm will not allow you to reboot directly from gnome ;) gdm allow it.
Maybee mandrakefirsttime should change default dm when user choose kde
or gnome.
Le sam 02/08/2003 à 04:01, Gary L. Greene a écrit :
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On Friday 01 August 2003 09:34 pm, Joe
On Sat, 1 Aug 2003, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
Sure you can. Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Display Manager
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen.
This is no reason to use gdm over mdkkdm or kdm, as they can also do this.
For installations
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Bellegarde [ISO-8859-1] Cédric wrote:
kdm will not allow you to reboot directly from gnome ;) gdm allow it.
Maybee mandrakefirsttime should change default dm when user choose kde
or gnome.
mandrakefirsttime should preferably never be run by root ... so which
users
Am Samstag, 2. August 2003 13:44 schrieb Buchan Milne:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Bellegarde [ISO-8859-1] Cédric wrote:
kdm will not allow you to reboot directly from gnome ;) gdm allow it.
Maybee mandrakefirsttime should change default dm when user choose kde
or gnome.
mandrakefirsttime
It do that sometime, i don't understand why... If you put
/etc/X11/prefdm in /etc/inittab at init 5, it always work but with dm
script, sometime it don't work and i don't know why
Le sam 02/08/2003 à 11:55, Adam Williamson a écrit :
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 08:12, Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le Fri,
On Sat 02 Aug 2003 02:53, Adam Williamson posted as excerpted below:
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 06:31, Duncan wrote:
The term a lot is two separate words (and isn't considered formally
correct either, BTW, altho colloquial usage is recognized). It means,
as you were
What the hell do you
Gary L. Greene wrote:
The problem is Frédéric, is that when use the shut down option in
GNOME when
I have GDM as the login manager, it won't shut the system down, whereas
when I used GNOME with KDM, it would. What it does now is it only
drops me
back at GDM, then I have to select the shutdown
Le Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:29:52 -0400, Frank Griffin a écrit :
Gary L. Greene wrote:
The problem is Frédéric, is that when use the shut down option in
GNOME when
I have GDM as the login manager, it won't shut the system down, whereas
when I used GNOME with KDM, it would. What it does now is
Le Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:40:51 -0400, Gary L. Greene a écrit :
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Le Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:34:44 -0500, Joe Baker a écrit :
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's
Frederic Crozat wrote:
Yes, I saw that yesterday on my test system (it is not related to gdm)..
I'll investigate monday.
You can fill a bug against gnome-session so I won't forget about it..
Actually, I've seen this happen with mdkkdm as well lately. I was
waiting to get a stable cooker
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 16:29, Frank Griffin wrote:
Gary L. Greene wrote:
The problem is Frédéric, is that when use the shut down option in
GNOME when
I have GDM as the login manager, it won't shut the system down, whereas
when I used GNOME with KDM, it would. What it does now is it only
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
-Joe Baker
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On Friday 01 August 2003 09:34 pm, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
of users this could be cumbersome.
-Joe Baker
GDM doesn't
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 21:01, Gary L. Greene wrote:
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On Friday 01 August 2003 09:34 pm, Joe Baker wrote:
Can we switch to using gdm.
I don't like seeing all the user's names on the
login screen. For installations where there are allot
On Fri 01 Aug 2003 21:39, Joe Baker posted as excerpted below:
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 21:01, Gary L. Greene wrote:
On Friday 01 August 2003 09:34 pm, Joe Baker wrote:
For installations where there are allot
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That certainly helps allot.
I was going to reply to this privately, as it
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