Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Warly
Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:14:19PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Maybe make a bug and then we can vote on it? it won't help. [yves@rouge yves]$ rpmmon -p mplayer g.rousse By the way, i think nobody will vote for moving it to main. We are only waiting

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Rösch
Es schrieb Warly: Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:14:19PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Maybe make a bug and then we can vote on it? it won't help. [yves@rouge yves]$ rpmmon -p mplayer g.rousse By the way, i think nobody will vote for moving it

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Gwenole Beauchesne
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you find License: MPlayer is GPL now. In the past it contained non-GPL code from the OpenDivX project, which did not allow binary redistribution. This has been removed. So mplayer should be OK. As Giuseppe said, the problem may go beyond a

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Götz Waschk
Am Dienstag, 26. November 2002, 15:17:03 Uhr MET, schrieb Gwenole Beauchesne: As Giuseppe said, the problem may go beyond a license issue. That is, for instance an MPEG4 implementation, if they do provide support for such format, may be covered by some patents. Same as xine, which already is in

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:17, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you find License: MPlayer is GPL now. In the past it contained non-GPL code from the OpenDivX project, which did not allow binary redistribution. This has been removed. So mplayer

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Yves Duret
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:17:03PM +0100, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you find License: MPlayer is GPL now. In the past it contained non-GPL code from the OpenDivX project, which did not allow binary redistribution. This has been removed.

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Are we really OK with the license and co ? I heard that debian won't put it int their tree, because of the licence. But, I do not exactlly where is the problem. I will ask. Mick

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Faraj Meir
, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ? On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:17:03PM +0100, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you find License: MPlayer is GPL now. In the past it contained non-GPL code from the OpenDivX project, which did

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Giuseppe Ghibò
Scrive Gwenole Beauchesne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you find License: MPlayer is GPL now. In the past it contained non-GPL code from the OpenDivX project, which did not allow binary redistribution. This has been removed. So mplayer should

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Yves Duret
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:50:20PM +0200, Faraj Meir wrote: I don't now if it's true I think that it apply only for commercial. Write directly to them ... If it was totaly true so divx and divx stuff would not be here yep License says[1] The license terms tie royalties for use only to MPEG-4

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Faraj Meir
? - Original Message - From: Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ? On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 03:17:03PM +0100, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Thomas Rösch wrote: you

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:51, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: Of course in mind of the MPEG4 commitee there was to get royalties from hardware makers (e.g. in embedded systems) not from free software writers... Not entirely true. They certainly wanted to charge distributors of commercial software that

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Faraj Meir
Yep but Quicktime is commercial not mplayer - Original Message - From: Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ? On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:51, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: Of course in mind

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Faraj Meir
but never says when you don't receives renumeration, it is free. (but i am not law specialist) [1]http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_02-07-15_m4v.html -- Yves Duret [EMAIL PROTECTED] piouk toujours et meme apres ! It seems to be implied... The easiest way is to ask them directly No

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Ben Reser
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:15:30PM +0200, Faraj Meir wrote: Yep but Quicktime is commercial not mplayer The licensing page doesn't say commercial. It says receives renumeration for. Apple doesn't receive renumeration for most Quicktime players. Most are free (as in beer) downloads. It could

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread scott chevalley
Ben Reser wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:15:30PM +0200, Faraj Meir wrote: Yep but Quicktime is commercial not mplayer The licensing page doesn't say commercial. It says receives renumeration for. Apple doesn't receive renumeration for most Quicktime players. Most are free (as in

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread Ben Reser
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:32:04PM -0500, scott chevalley wrote: I think you could argue the case that Mandrake is selling the physical box and the support for that box, but that the software included is (mostly) free, which is different from charging specifically for the software itself.

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-26 Thread gabor
Ben Reser wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 05:15:30PM +0200, Faraj Meir wrote: Yep but Quicktime is commercial not mplayer The licensing page doesn't say commercial. It says receives renumeration for. Apple doesn't receive renumeration for most Quicktime players. Most are free (as in beer)

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-25 Thread Yves Duret
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:41:42PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct package, for sure, but it is legaly clean (otherwise it

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-25 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yves Duret wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:41:42PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-25 Thread Yves Duret
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:14:19PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Maybe make a bug and then we can vote on it? it won't help. [yves@rouge yves]$ rpmmon -p mplayer g.rousse By the way, i think nobody will vote for moving it to main. We are only waiting that warly moves it :) -- Yves Duret [EMAIL

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-20 Thread Yves Duret
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:28:54AM +0100, gabor wrote: actually xine has a feature that mplayer lacks... xine is available as a library ( libxine ), so there are some players which are based on xine... for gnome ther's totem, for kde there is a kde on ( try xine.sourceforge.net for a list

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Faraj Meir
yep tell this for example for : -browsers -windows managers -word processing -text editors etc no I really thing yoou roght drop all doublon . Not I'm not serious . the question is Why multimedia couldn't see the best linux media player in the main choice ? Xine does just about everything

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Florent BERANGER
Le Lundi 18 Novembre 2002 21:37, Faraj Meir a écrit : yep tell this for example for : -browsers -windows managers -word processing -text editors etc no I really thing yoou roght drop all doublon . Not I'm not serious . the question is Why multimedia couldn't see the best

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Chinander
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Florent BERANGER wrote: Le Lundi 18 Novembre 2002 21:37, Faraj Meir a écrit : yep tell this for example for : -browsers -windows managers -word processing -text editors etc no I really thing yoou roght drop all doublon . Not I'm not serious .

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Faraj Meir
You have a lot of software that I thing can be dropped . ask your user what they REALLY use for daily use ? and drop to contrib anything that is not used and the thing wanted to main . I think you will got only one CD this way ... I think software strategy is an important thing and need a big

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread gabor
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 23:15, Faraj Meir wrote: You have a lot of software that I thing can be dropped . ask your user what they REALLY use for daily use ? some people use xine daily, some use mplayer some use gnome some use kde bye, gabor and drop to contrib anything that is not used and

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Benjamin Pflugmann
Hi. On Mon 2002-11-18 at 08:42:57 +0100, Yves Duret wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:53:24PM +, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread gabor
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 01:06, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. On Mon 2002-11-18 at 08:42:57 +0100, Yves Duret wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:53:24PM +, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread Jason Greenwood
Use Kxine, it uses the xine libs but the GUI is much more "media player" like and it seems more stable than xine for some reason... Cheers, Jason gabor wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 01:06, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. On Mon 2002-11-18 at 08:42:57 +0100, Yves Duret wrote:

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-18 Thread gabor
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 01:38, Jason Greenwood wrote: Use Kxine, it uses the xine libs but the GUI is much more media player like and it seems more stable than xine for some reason... mostly when i want to use xine ( i don't use it much, but still ) i use totem... the only problem is that

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-17 Thread gabor
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 21:58, Michal Bukovjan wrote: - unlike Xine, I cannot recode subtitles on the fly (I am talking about charsets). Thus, if I have subtitles in WIN1250 encoding, and want to display them in ISO-8859-2 (Linux), no go. mplayer -subcp cp1250 - neither allows me to

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-17 Thread Yves Duret
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 12:53:24PM +, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct

[Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct package, for sure, but it is legaly clean (otherwise it won't even be in contrib), and its presence in main would definitevely

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread gabor
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct package, for sure, but it is legaly clean (otherwise it won't even be

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct package, for sure, but it is legaly clean (otherwise it won't even be

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread gabor
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:53, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:41, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Now that i had some success with other transfer requests, what about the ultimate multimedia player under linux, aka mplayer ? It is not the most politically correct package, for

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Stephane SOPPERA
Xine does just about everything mplayer does... I've tested xine on Mdk 9.0: in my opinion it's still slow to open a fill, slow to navigate throw a video, and quite buggy. The configuration menu is really horrible and very difficult to understand. I really prefer MPlayer: fast, simple; it's far

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 16:54, Stephane SOPPERA wrote: Xine does just about everything mplayer does... I've tested xine on Mdk 9.0: in my opinion it's still slow to open a fill, slow to navigate throw a video, and quite buggy. The configuration menu is really horrible and very difficult to

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Stephane SOPPERA
I've tested xine on Mdk 9.0: in my opinion it's still slow to open a fill, slow to navigate throw a video, and quite buggy. The configuration menu is really horrible and very difficult to understand. I really prefer MPlayer: fast, simple; it's far better than every video players that can

Re: [Cooker] mplayer in main ?

2002-11-15 Thread Michal Bukovjan
Stephane SOPPERA wrote: Thirdly, mplayer has a great OSD ;-) (ok this one is not a very objective argument ;-) Hmm, not really that great :-( - unlike Xine, I cannot recode subtitles on the fly (I am talking about charsets). Thus, if I have subtitles in WIN1250 encoding, and want to display