Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-20 Thread lamikr_mdk
I believe that one method for getting money would be by selling some other stuff like t-shirts with stylish Mandrake linux logo. If there would be t-shirts in the mandrake store I would definitively buy two or three... Mika Leon Brooks wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:17, Stefan van der Eijk

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-14 Thread Leon Brooks
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:17, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: Instead of complaining on how not to generate cash, could we perhaps focus on finding an acceptable way for the $$$ to flow into mdk. We (contributors) will also benefit from it. Agree. And the proposed approach is about as unobtrusive as

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-14 Thread Leon Brooks
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:50, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: if this advertized Mandrake was the first i try to install, i would probably never try it again, and probably never go for a boxed version. i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer, and there are no free install CD, and i

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-14 Thread Leon Brooks
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:09, Luca Berra wrote: You are right, my personal feeling is that an adware version of mandrake will have the effect of enraging many people from the linux community. I can't remember which program it was, since this was so long ago, but there was a product which

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Han Boetes wrote: Stefan van der Eijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody whos name is lost wrote: i know, and i have the same opinion as you, but what can we do ?-( How about: help Mandrakesoft come up with a better way to generate revenue? Hear hear, Howbout an uitzendbureau?

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Magnus Pedersen
On Saturday 13 September 2003 03:54, Vincent Danen wrote: I've had it with all this whining. Back to doing something constructive. Hear hear! -- Magnus Pedersen

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Sat Sep 13, 2003 at 01:26:08AM +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: [...] You know what? I hate to shatter your ego and I'm sure I'll get floode d with hate mail but... cooker is *not* MandrakeSoft. Yes we value your input, yes we value your contributions, yes we value

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Michael Scherer
So what's made Mandrake not open? The fact that there will be one ad in the installer or the fact that I spoke? the installer is just a step, like the bookmarks, the question is what will follow well, the same kind of reproch were made to the club, and now what ? well nothing special

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Samedi 13 Septembre 2003 05:24, Brant Fitzsimmons a écrit : Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm 2nd picture. And Rolex in the 3rd. And FILA on the tee-shirt: pictures 6th

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 02:44, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: No, but it would at least act as a disincentive by being a hostage to fortune; if they broke it, the reaction would be all the greater because there would be something concrete to point to and say look, you said this and you lied. This

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 03:46, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm 2nd picture. Oh, right, on the speedometer. I thought the meant the back wall itself. Well, I guess the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 11:26, Michael Scherer wrote: and everything in a timeframe of 8 h. Given the fact that mandrake direction does not read slashdot every minutes, this is acceptable. In fact, mandrake listened to their complaints. And this is good. It's not acceptable at all. You seem to

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 12:29, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 11:26, Michael Scherer wrote: and everything in a timeframe of 8 h. Given the fact that mandrake direction does not read slashdot every minutes, this is acceptable. In fact, mandrake listened to their complaints.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Buchan Milne
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 03:46, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm 2nd picture. Oh, right, on the speedometer. I thought the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Duncan
On Fri 12 Sep 2003 03:25, Götz Waschk posted as excerpted below: Am Freitag, 12. September 2003, 03:15:18 Uhr MET, schrieb Duncan: On Thu 11 Sep 2003 23:50, Svetoslav Slavtchev posted as excerpted below: i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer, and there are no free

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 13:38, Buchan Milne wrote: So, it's better to have a public policy on advertising, and break it, than to not have one? Pragmatically, yes. As I said, the fact that there's a known policy limits their possibilities; all they can do is bend the rules. Breaking them

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Duncan
On Fri 12 Sep 2003 09:12, Jan Ciger posted as excerpted below: Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: | sound almost great :( | like in the famous linux browser opera (not that i like it or use it), | but | | well if you want it for free, you'll have to see some adds, | but go and get the full version

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial opportunity there to charge? http://www.mandrakesoft.com/oem/hardwarepart/hp/details --

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b) nobody even bothered to say something to people in Cooker. There are plenty of people there, who are spending lots of time working on Cooker without any remuneration. People here are not even worth a mail from MDK saying something like oh, btw, there

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: | I hate to say that, but I agree. But I let you also know that we | also have internal communications problems, and I also learnt | from linuxfr.org the presence of the mandrake page with the price | of ads :/. Wow, if even

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Jan Ciger : Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: | I hate to say that, but I agree. But I let you also know that we | also have internal communications problems, and I also learnt | from linuxfr.org the presence of the mandrake page with the price | of ads :/. Wow, if even

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 21:08, Guillaume Rousse wrote: I can't say I enjoy the situation, but I find whining every time this is clearly demonstrated a bit... naïve ? The whining isn't - or at least isn't purely - self-interested. The point is that better communication would be squarely in the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 02:47, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 02:47, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Luca Berra
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:17:45AM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: Interesting. People on this list seem only mention how *not* to generate cash. This product is being developed by a company, i.e bills, salaries and taxes need to be paid. You are right, my personal feeling is that an adware

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:17:45AM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: Interesting. People on this list seem only mention how *not* to generate cash. This product is being developed by a company, i.e bills, salaries and taxes need to be paid. You are right, my personal feeling is that an adware

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Duncan
On Thu 11 Sep 2003 23:50, Svetoslav Slavtchev posted as excerpted below: i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer, and there are no free install CD, and i think i would have similer impression from Mandrake. The free install CD may be a valid point, but the installer.. well,

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 07:17, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: My point wasn't really about whether it affected us directly. Obviously it won't - given that we use Cooker, I don't know if we'll even ever *see* the offending adverts. The point is I think it's a horrible way of generating revenue

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 09:53, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:17:45AM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: Interesting. People on this list seem only mention how *not* to generate cash. This product is being developed by a company, i.e bills, salaries and taxes need to be

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 09:53, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:17:45AM +0200, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: Interesting. People on this list seem only mention how *not* to generate cash. This product is being developed by a company, i.e bills, salaries and taxes need to

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Udo Rader
Am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:20:05 + schrieb Adam Williamson: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising ... no. I don't understand some peoples negative attitude towards advertizements. A couple of month ago my company (a small OSS startup) has decided to become a mdk partner for

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:47, Udo Rader wrote: Am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:20:05 + schrieb Adam Williamson: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising ... no. I don't understand some peoples negative attitude towards advertizements. A couple of month ago my company (a small

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wrote: | On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 07:17, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: | Charge more, sell books, make the Club better, go busking on the streets | of Paris...anything but adverts. ADVERTS. guh. Yes, probably nothing is more annoying than

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Götz Waschk
Am Freitag, 12. September 2003, 03:15:18 Uhr MET, schrieb Duncan: On Thu 11 Sep 2003 23:50, Svetoslav Slavtchev posted as excerpted below: i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer, and there are no free install CD, and i think i would have similer impression from Mandrake.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Rolf Pedersen
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 02:47, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:13, Rolf Pedersen wrote: How are ads unprofessional? They might be an unpleasant reminder of the stark reality that some must pay for what so many take for free. Perhaps, if more downloaders (especially those enjoying the apparent wherewithal to run a laptop *and*

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 8:50 +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: sorry for the missunderstanding, i completely agree. if this advertized Mandrake was the first i try to install, i would probably never try it again, and probably never go for a boxed version. i still disslike SuSE, because they use

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 12:55 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: I also absolute hate the fact that the way this is being implemented sets a precedent for the impairment of the actual functionality of the OS through adverts, which is the effect of putting adverts on the default home page and on the browser

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Fri Sep 12 8:50 +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: sorry for the missunderstanding, i completely agree. if this advertized Mandrake was the first i try to install, i would probably never try it again, and probably never go for a boxed version. i still disslike SuSE, because

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Am Freitag, 12. September 2003, 03:15:18 Uhr MET, schrieb Duncan: On Thu 11 Sep 2003 23:50, Svetoslav Slavtchev posted as excerpted below: i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer, and there are no free install CD, and i think i would have similer impression from

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:47, Udo Rader wrote: Am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:20:05 + schrieb Adam Williamson: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising ... no. I don't understand some peoples negative attitude towards advertizements. A couple of month

Re: [inbox] Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Nicholas Bolibruch
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:26, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 07:17, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: My point wasn't really about whether it affected us directly. Obviously it won't - given that we use Cooker, I don't know if we'll even ever *see* the offending adverts. The point

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Slashdot has this on it's frontpage already. Great way how to announce something like this, Mandrake :-( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224mode=nestedtid=126tid=147tid=163tid=187tid=98tid=99 Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread avalon
Quoting Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:47, Udo Rader wrote: Am Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:20:05 + schrieb Adam Williamson: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising ... no. I don't understand some

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Slashdot has this on it's frontpage already. Great way how to announce something like this, Mandrake :-( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224mode=nestedtid=126tid=147tid=163tid=187tid=98tid=99 Jan sound almost great :( like

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: | sound almost great :( | like in the famous linux browser opera (not that i like it or use it), but | | well if you want it for free, you'll have to see some adds, | but go and get the full version -- noads, cheap That's

RE: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1)
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] um. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Slashdot has this on it's frontpage already. Great way how to announce something like this, Mandrake :-( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/12/1315224mode=neste dtid

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: | sound almost great :( | like in the famous linux browser opera (not that i like it or use it), but | | well if you want it for free, you'll have to see some adds, | but go and get the full version -- noads, cheap

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the | MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial | opportunity there to charge? | | Cory | If HP want's to brand the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: | i know, and i have the same opinion as you, | but what can we do ?-( Maybe let Madrakians publicly know what we think about this move ? IMHO it is a suicidal move for them, because MDK is not *that much* better than other

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
i know, and i have the same opinion as you, but what can we do ?-( How about: help Mandrakesoft come up with a better way to generate revenue? Stefan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 18:57 +0200, Jan Ciger wrote: MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the | MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial | opportunity there to charge? | | Cory | If HP want's to

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 18:57 +0200, Jan Ciger wrote: If HP want's to brand the distro, they can already. Mandrake also offers, for a fee (and has for a looong time), to create a branded distribution for large customers/OEMs. I wouldn't be surprised if the version of MDK that HP is distributing is

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread avalon
Quoting Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: | i know, and i have the same opinion as you, | but what can we do ?-( Maybe let Madrakians publicly know what we think about this move ? IMHO it is a suicidal move for them,

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread s
On Friday 12 September 2003 09:13 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: My point wasn't really about whether it affected us directly. Obviously it won't - given that we use Cooker, I don't know if we'll even ever *see* the offending adverts. The point is I think it's a horrible way of generating

RE: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Steve Larabee
---Original Message- --From: Svetoslav Slavtchev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:32 PM --To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Subject: Re: [Cooker] um. --Importance: Low -- -- -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- -- Hash: SHA1 -- -- Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Vincent Danen
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 03:02:49AM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to fund your favourite distro. It's not as if

RE: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1)
a PR perspective, this will have a negative impact. Cory -Original Message- From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] um. On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 03:02:49AM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 I think your concerns are unfounded, and I also think you're being a little silly. Do you close your eyes when you're driving around and see billboards that advertise stuff? Do you close your eyes and mute the TV when the commercials are on? Do you

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Vincent Danen wrote: | I hate to say it, but it cracks me up how people are so against advertising, | our business model, and things we do to make revenue so that the developers | and others in the company can eat and afford to spend all of

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread avalon
I think this may help: http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 it clears up some misconceptions and definitely eases my mind regarding the situation. I think the problem is that when you say Ad people think of the most common example: spam or popups. Those are very intrusive and

RE: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Steve Larabee
---Original Message- --From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:35 PM --To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Subject: Re: [Cooker] um. -- -- --On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 03:02:49AM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: -- --http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, breaking my own wow not to reply to this thread anymore, *sic*. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think this may help: | | http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 | | it clears up some misconceptions and definitely eases my mind regarding the |

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Vincent Danen
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 09:22:15PM +0200, Jan Ciger wrote: (Ok, I lied, but I had to respond to this post because it's just infuriating and insulting). | I hate to say it, but it cracks me up how people are so against advertising, | our business model, and things we do to make revenue so that

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:49, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 12:55 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: I also absolute hate the fact that the way this is being implemented sets a precedent for the impairment of the actual functionality of the OS through adverts, which is the effect of putting

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. Yeah. But for the tennis, I far prefer watching Wimbledon. They don't take adverts. -- adamw

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:57, Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the | MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial | opportunity

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 22:45 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:57, Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the | MDK distro for distribution

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 19:34, Vincent Danen wrote: I think your concerns are unfounded, and I also think you're being a little silly. Do you close your eyes when you're driving around and see billboards that advertise stuff? Do you close your eyes and mute the TV when the I don't drive.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 22:33 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:49, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 12:55 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: I also absolute hate the fact that the way this is being implemented sets a precedent for the impairment of the actual functionality of the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. Yeah. But for the tennis, I far prefer watching Wimbledon. They don't take adverts. Someone should tell their sponsors then.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Michael Scherer
On Friday 12 September 2003 22:07, Jan Ciger wrote: Ok, breaking my own wow not to reply to this thread anymore, *sic*. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think this may help: | | http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/mdkads.php3 | | it clears up some misconceptions and definitely eases my mind

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Scherer wrote: |Thanks for pointing it out, it does clear up the issues. But why this |page had to appear only after the uproar erupted ? | | We will never know, but i am sure that mandrake did nothing to actively | show this to the world,

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 22:53, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 22:45 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:57, Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 23:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. Yeah. But for the tennis, I far prefer watching Wimbledon. They

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Fri Sep 12, 2003 at 09:22:15PM +0200, Jan Ciger wrote: (Ok, I lied, but I had to respond to this post because it's just infuriating and insulting). | I hate to say it, but it cracks me up how people are so against advertising, | our business model, and things we do to make

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Kye Lewis
.. It's exactly the same mechanism. Put a few different pngs in /Mandrake/share/advertising/ and voila, you've branded the installer. Put a few different pngs in /usr/share/mdk/xscreensaver/ and voila, you've branded the screensaver. All Mandrake is doing is allowing people/companies

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 00:37, Kye Lewis wrote: .. It's exactly the same mechanism. Put a few different pngs in /Mandrake/share/advertising/ and voila, you've branded the installer. Put a few different pngs in /usr/share/mdk/xscreensaver/ and voila, you've branded the screensaver.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Kye Lewis
... All Mandrake is doing is allowing people/companies to participate in the default branding of the distribution. This being the case, would it not be simply a matter of installing a different RPM to get rid of it all? I have no problem with the installer ads, i'll survive through

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 23:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. Yeah. But for the tennis, I far

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 00:59, Kye Lewis wrote: Well, I think if you're reassured by the page you're taking something of a short term view. What the case is for 9.2 isn't massively important to me, I want to see Mandrakesoft place some kind of definite boundaries on the strategy to cover

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:05, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Was IBM on that list? It sure was. What does the banner ad in the upper right hand corner of the site say? What? I'm talking about the event here, which is what you were talking about in the first place. What's the website got to do with

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:05, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Was IBM on that list? It sure was. What does the banner ad in the upper right hand corner of the site say? What? I'm talking about the event here, which is what you were talking about in the first place.

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:44, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:05, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Was IBM on that list? It sure was. What does the banner ad in the upper right hand corner of the site say? What? I'm talking about the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 23:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. Yeah. But for the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:56, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 23:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:44, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:05, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Was IBM on that list? It sure was. What does the banner ad in the upper right hand corner of the site say?

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:56, Buchan Milne wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 23:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 16:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 00:59, Kye Lewis wrote: Well, I think if you're reassured by the page you're taking something of a short term view. What the case is for 9.2 isn't massively important to me, I want to see Mandrakesoft place some kind of definite boundaries on the

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sat Sep 13, 2003 at 01:26:08AM +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: [...] You know what? I hate to shatter your ego and I'm sure I'll get flooded with hate mail but... cooker is *not* MandrakeSoft. Yes we value your input, yes we value your contributions, yes we value your support, and

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm 2nd picture. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take due notice and govern yourselves accordingly. Currently playing:

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Levi Ramsey wrote: On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm 2nd picture. And Rolex in the 3rd. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Cooker] um.

2003-09-11 Thread Adam Williamson
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising ... no. -- adamw

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 02:42, Leon Brooks wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to fund your favourite distro. It's

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-11 Thread s
On Thursday 11 September 2003 08:42 pm, Leon Brooks wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to fund your favourite

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-11 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to fund your favourite distro. It's not as if we're seeing in-yer-face

Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 02:47, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:20, Adam Williamson wrote: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/partners/advertising no. I'm all for it. I replace the screensaver and bookmarks straight away anyway, and it's a simple way to fund your