Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-03 Thread Ian Grigg
Eric Murray wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 10:09:06AM -0400, Ian Grigg wrote: A lot of the tools and blocks are too hard to understand. Inaccessible might be the proper term. This might apply to, for example, SSL, and more so to IPSec. These have a lower survival rate, simply

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Ian Grigg
Tim Dierks wrote: At 09:11 AM 6/3/2003, Peter Gutmann wrote: Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that SSL use is orders of magnitude higher than that of SSH, with no change in sight, primarily due to SSL's ease-of-use, I am a bit puzzled by your assertion that ssh, not SSL, is

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-03 Thread Ian Grigg
A lot of the tools and blocks are too hard to understand. Inaccessible might be the proper term. This might apply to, for example, SSL, and more so to IPSec. These have a lower survival rate, simply because as developers look at them, their eyes glaze over and they move on. I heard one guy say

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-08 Thread Ian Grigg
John Kelsey wrote: So, what can I do about it, as an individual? Make the cellphone companies build good crypto into their systems? Any ideas how to do that? Nope. Cellphone companies are big slow moving targets. They get their franchise from the government. If the NSA wants weak crypto,