RE: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread David Honig
At 10:03 AM 5/18/00 -0400, Paul Kierstead wrote: OK, so I want to prevent some regular, every-day hackers from picking up my traffic. Or I just want reasonable protection for my passwords in Telnet or FTP. You are saying that some guy in his basement can break DES? There's a lot of spare cycles

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Paul Crowley
"L. Sassaman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frankly, I can't understand why the IPsec protocol still allows DES. We are waiting for AES. So am I correct in assuming you are saying that DES will be disallowed as part of the IPsec protocol when AES is finalized? This would be good. I

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread John Kelsey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 08:58 AM 5/18/00 -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: L. Sassaman writes: PGP's source code has always been available for public review. This has not changed. There are no "back doors" for the NSA in PGP, paranoiaUnless they are particularly subtle ones,

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Sandy Harris
Paul Kierstead wrote: Frankly, I can't understand why the IPsec protocol still allows DES. It should require strong encryption. Having DES in a product these days makes about as much sense as mandating the usage of ROT13. OK, so I want to prevent some regular, every-day hackers

Re: IP: FBI insists it can tap e-mail without a warrant

2000-05-19 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Perry E. Metzger" writes: As interpreted by the FCC, the act also would require telecommunications providers to turn over "packet-mode communications" - such as those that carry Internet traffic - without the warrant required for a phone wiretap. I think that

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Derek Atkins
Actually, the SAAG voted to drop DES from IPsec back in, oh, the Minneapolis IETF in March '99 (IIRC). I think the problem is that nobody has revved the IPsec docs. -derek Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "L. Sassaman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frankly, I can't understand why the

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread David Honig
At 12:56 AM 5/19/00 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: few thousand known plaintexts), that fact will be kept secret. Which means that they will have to be *very* careful making any use of information recovered from that break, to avoid leaking the fact that they can break it. - --John Kelsey, [EMAIL

Re: GPS integrity

2000-05-19 Thread John Gilmore
This makes it quite possible to detect this kind of simple spoofing by using two or more GPS antennas located a known distance from each other and checking to see that the positions computed from the signal out of each one differ by the known distances. Sounds like some interested

RE: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
Someone made the comment in this thread (I can't seem to find it again) that a bug in MS security that counts as a hole, not a backdoor. But a cooperative relationship between Microsoft and NSA (or any vendor and their local signals security agency) can be more subtle. What if Microsoft

Re: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Andrew Loewenstern
David Honig wrote: The *only* reason for using DES (or 3DES) is legacy systems, ie, backwards interop. IPSec stacks (like *all* crypto things) should come with, and negotiate to use, better crypto when they can. Which should be most of the time, given how new both sides of most links will

RE: Critics blast Windows 2000's quiet use of DES instead of 3DES

2000-05-19 Thread Rick Smith
At 02:25 PM 05/19/2000 -0400, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: . But a cooperative relationship between Microsoft and NSA (or any vendor and their local signals security agency) can be more subtle. What if Microsoft agreed not to fix that bug? What if Microsoft gives NSA early access to source