Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-18 Thread Paul Crowley
Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh? You should *never* need to encrypt information before shoving it in the pool. If you've got a secret you could use for such encryption, shove it in the pool and then forget about it - it will do precisely as much good. I'm inclined to

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-18 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
Don Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: perhaps surprisingly, i disagree with the other respondents. as long as you encrypt or MAC the incoming packets ( their interarrival times), with a closely-guarded secret key, before you stuff the bits into your entropy pool, then you should

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 06:32:35PM -0800, David Honig wrote: And don't forget to measure the entropy of your conditioned output. You must condition, raw measurement isn't good enough. Search Shannon or Maurer or "diehard" for more. I don't understand the use of diehard for cryptographic

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-17 Thread Rich Salz
Thanks, all, for the review; I greatly appreciate it. The overall system will be online, and on the net, generating keys 24x7. I can follow best practices to firewall the network, and physical access by an adversary is impossible (I now this is a strong statement, but it *is* outside of my

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-17 Thread David Honig
At 10:19 PM 11/15/00 -0500, Rich Salz wrote: I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source. After 'n' seconds

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-17 Thread Don Davis
After 'n' seconds turn the network card into promiscuous mode, scoop up packets and hash them, dump them into the entropy pool. Do this for 'm' seconds, then go back to sleep for awhile. The sleep and wake times are random numbers. Is this a cute hack, pointless, or a good idea? hi, rich

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-17 Thread Paul Crowley
Don Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: perhaps surprisingly, i disagree with the other respondents. as long as you encrypt or MAC the incoming packets ( their interarrival times), with a closely-guarded secret key, before you stuff the bits into your entropy pool, then you should do fine.

Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Rich Salz
I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source. After 'n' seconds turn the network card into promiscuous mode,

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Rich Salz wrote: I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source. After 'n' seconds

Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Eugene . Leitl
Rich Salz writes: I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source. After 'n' seconds turn the network

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 10:19:53PM -0500, Rich Salz wrote: I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source.

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Paul Crowley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why don't you stick a sound card (the noisier, the better) into each node, and dump /dev/dsp (LSB) input at max amplification into the randomness pool? There's no reason to put only the LSBs in the randomness pool, if the pool is properly designed. Put all the data

RE: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Trei, Peter
15, 2000 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lots of random numbers I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine an

Re: Lots of random numbers

2000-11-16 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 10:19 PM -0500 11/15/2000, Rich Salz wrote: I'm putting together a system that might need to generate thousands of RSA keypairs per day, using OpenSSL on a "handful" of Linux machines. What do folks think of the following: take one machine and dedicate it as an entropy source. After 'n'