Perry Metzger wrote:
So, the next time one of your friends in Germany asks why the crazy
Americans think ID cards and such are a bad thing, remember my
father, and remember all the people like him who fled to the US over
the last couple hundred years and who left children that still
remember
* Perry E. Metzger:
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But nevertheless, I do not understand why americans are so afraid of
an ID card.
Perhaps I can explain why I am.
I do not trust governments. I've inherited this perspective. My
grandfather sent his children abroad from Speyer in Germany just
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(currently in Boston, MA, after giving fingerprints at the
airport immigration)
And you may have then noticed the interesting effect; in Germany we have
mandatory cards - carry them round always - but virtually have to show
them. And only to
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But nevertheless, I do not understand why americans are so afraid of
an ID card.
Perhaps I can explain why I am.
I do not trust governments. I've inherited this perspective. My
grandfather sent his children abroad from Speyer in Germany just after
the ascension of
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
your ID card. Exactly that circular problem as mentioned in the
posting.
But when I explained that circular problem, they checked by phone with
the town's registry office and gave me the copy of the birth
certificate without an ID card to solve
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But nevertheless, I do not understand why americans are so afraid of
an ID card. It has by far more advantages than disadvantages, and
actually the US driving license is already a kind of ID card.
Let me refer you to a National Academies
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 11:26:54PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Let me refer you to a National Academies report (I was on the
committee): Stephen T. Kent and Lynette Millett, ed. IDs -- Not That
Easy: Questions About Nationwide Identity Systems. National Academies
Press, 2002.
Isn't that ridiculous? In the USA where they allegedly don't have ID cards
you are approx. more than 20 times as often asked for a picture ID than
in Germany where we have ID cards officially.
True. But funny, isn't it: I always enjoy looking at the most
puzzled facial expression of some
--- Jonathan Thornburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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- In Germany we have an ID card and I have it in my pocket all the
time. But actually it is rarely used, I do need it not more than
maybe three times a year. [[...]]
I think this has a lot to do with the fact that
I'm forwarding this article, originally from the Cypherpunks mailing
list (I saw it on Dave Farber's Interesting People) because I find
the security implications important.
HOWEVER, I'm warning in advance that I'm not going to forward a lot of
followups, especially if they are unoriginal and/or
Don't laugh. This is exactly the problem I had with my
german identity card.
In Germany, you are required to possess either an identity card
or a passport once you reach the age of 16. If you're younger you
can just have a children's passport in case you need for travelling.
Usually applying
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