RE: strong claims about encryption safety Re: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-13 Thread Jason Resch
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: [removing Cc: tahoe-dev as this subthread is not about Tahoe-LAFS. Of course, the subscribers to tahoe-dev would probably be interested in this subthread, but that just goes to show that they ought to subscribe to cryptogra...@metzdowd.com.] On

strong claims about encryption safety Re: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-12 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
[removing Cc: tahoe-dev as this subthread is not about Tahoe-LAFS. Of course, the subscribers to tahoe-dev would probably be interested in this subthread, but that just goes to show that they ought to subscribe to cryptogra...@metzdowd.com.] On Monday,2009-08-10, at 11:56 , Jason Resch

RE: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-11 Thread Jason Resch
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: [cross-posted to tahoe-...@allmydata.org and cryptogra...@metzdowd.com] Folks: It doesn't look like I'm going to get time to write a long post about this bundle of issues, comparing Cleversafe with Tahoe-LAFS (both use erasure coding and encryption, and the

RE: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-11 Thread Jason Resch
james hughes wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: I don't think there is any basis to the claims that Cleversafe makes that their erasure-coding (Information Dispersal)-based system is fundamentally safer, e.g. these claims from [3]: a

Re: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-11 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
This conversation has bifurcated, since I replied and removed tahoe- dev from the Cc: line, sending just to the cryptography list, and David-Sarah Hopwood has replied and removed cryptography, leaving just the tahoe-dev list. Here is the root of the thread on the cryptography mailing list

Re: [tahoe-dev] cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption isOverrated

2009-08-11 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
On Monday,2009-08-10, at 13:47 , Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: This conversation has bifurcated, Oh, and while I don't mind if people want to talk about this on the tahoe-dev list, it doesn't have that much to do with tahoe-lafs anymore, now that we're done comparing Tahoe-LAFS to