Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-24 Thread Alan
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 00:09 -0700, Jon Callas wrote: A cheap USB camera would make a good source. The cheaper the better, too. Pull a frame off, hash it, and it's got entropy, even against a white background. No lava lamp needed. I sort of agree, but I feel cautious about recommending

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-23 Thread Jon Callas
A cheap USB camera would make a good source. The cheaper the better, too. Pull a frame off, hash it, and it's got entropy, even against a white background. No lava lamp needed. I sort of agree, but I feel cautious about recommending that people use their holiday snaps. And then post them on

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-22 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 01:20:22PM -0400, James Cloos wrote: IanG == IanG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IanG Nope, sorry, didn't follow it. What is BOM, SoC, A plug, gerber? Bill Of Materials -- cost of the raw hardware System on (a) Chip -- microchip with CPU, RAM, FLASH, etc USB A Plug

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread John Denker
On 09/20/2008 12:09 AM, IanG wrote: Does anyone know of a cheap USB random number source? Is $7.59 cheap enough? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE-280Bcat=GDT For that you get a USB audio adapter with mike jack, and then you can run turbid(tm) to produce high-quality randomness.

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread Jon Callas
Does anyone know of a cheap USB random number source? As a meandering comment, it would be extremely good for us if we had cheap pocket random number sources of arguable quality [1]. I've often thought that if we had an open source hardware design of a USB random number generator ... that cost

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread James Cloos
IanG == IanG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IanG I've often thought that if we had an open source hardware design IanG of a USB random number generator It should be doable as just a RNG device for a BOM of a few tens of USD. There are at least of couple of SoCs on the market which advertise USB

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread James Cloos
IanG == IanG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IanG Nope, sorry, didn't follow it. What is BOM, SoC, A plug, gerber? Bill Of Materials -- cost of the raw hardware System on (a) Chip -- microchip with CPU, RAM, FLASH, etc USB A Plug -- physical flat-four interface; think USB key drive gerber

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-20 Thread IanG
Jerry Leichter wrote: At ThinkGeek, you can now, for only $6.99, buy yourself a USB-powered mini lava lamp (see http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/7825/). All you need is some way to watch the thing - perhaps a USB camera - and some software to extract random bits. (This isn't *really*

Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-19 Thread Jerry Leichter
The Lava Lamp Random Number generator (at http://www.lavarnd.org/) generates true random numbers from the images of a couple of lava lamps. Of course, as a source of randomness for cryptographic purposes, it's useless because it's visible to everyone (though I suppose it might be used for