Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-02-02 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Ivan Krstić wrote: I'd find mobile e-mail just as useful if it went through a proxy that stripped out _everything_ that's not plaintext. I open attachments on my phone about once in a blue moon, and wouldn't miss the ability if it were gone. As a postscript,

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-30 Thread Ivan Krstić
Multiple responses inline: On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: I too would like to hear more information on this, particularly the crypto that is known to be used on the Edge. See sections 'Secure Speech Processing' and 'Interoperability' of

RE: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-29 Thread ian.farquhar
Perry wrote: pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) writes: I wonder what a classified USB cable is. Perhaps it's an unclassified USB cable with the little three-prong USB logo blacked out by the censors. I would imagine it is a tempest shielded cable, and appropriately altered

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-29 Thread David G. Koontz
Jerry Leichter wrote: I commented earlier that $3200 seemed surprisingly cheap. One of the articles on this claimed this was absurdly expensive - typical DoD gold plating. Well ... the real price of a standard Blackberry is a couple of hundred dollars, and put one in a room with a speaker

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jerry Leichter leich...@lrw.com writes: There's a Classified USB Cable for file transfer with Classified PC I wonder what a classified USB cable is. Perhaps it's an unclassified USB cable with the little three-prong USB logo blacked out by the censors. Peter.

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-28 Thread Perry E. Metzger
pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) writes: Jerry Leichter leich...@lrw.com writes: There's a Classified USB Cable for file transfer with Classified PC I wonder what a classified USB cable is. Perhaps it's an unclassified USB cable with the little three-prong USB logo blacked out by

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-28 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: There's a Classified USB Cable for file transfer with Classified PC I wonder what a classified USB cable is. Perhaps it's an unclassified USB cable with the little three-prong USB logo blacked out by the censors. I would imagine it

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-27 Thread Jerry Leichter
I know next to nothing about the state of the art of secure cell devices; do list members have any (public) knowledge or informed speculation about the mechanism behind the unclassified/classified switches? Are we talking two entire separate CPUs with a mutex- shared screen/keyboard? Or

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-27 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 04:18:39PM -0500, Jerry Leichter wrote: An email system for the White House has the additional complication of the Presidential Records Act: Phone conversations don't have to be recorded, but mail messages do (and have to

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-27 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:49:31 -0500 Ivan Krstić krs...@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Finally, any idea why the Sectéra is certified up to Top Secret for voice but only up to Secret for e-mail? (That is, what are the differing requirements?) I actually explained (my take on) that

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-26 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:49 AM -0500 1/26/09, Ivan Krstiç wrote: There are still conflicting reports about whether the hardware is an altered RIM BlackBerry or a different device, though the most likely contender for the latter option appears to be the General Dynamics Sectéra Edge, which features a trusted

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-26 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:49:31AM -0500, Ivan Krsti? wrote: Finally, any idea why the Sect?ra is certified up to Top Secret for voice but only up to Secret for e-mail? (That is, what are the differing requirements?) I know no specific details but strongly suspect the difference in

Re: Obama's secure PDA

2009-01-26 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Jan 26, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Ivan Krstić wrote: [A]ny idea why the Sectéra is certified up to Top Secret for voice but only up to Secret for e-mail? (That is, what are the differing requirements?) I have no information, but a guess: Phone conversation encryption, at all levels, has been