Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC?

2008-06-30 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:19:04PM -0700, zooko wrote: and probably other commodity products). Likewise newfangled ciphers like Salsa20 and EnRUPT will be considered by me to be faster than AES (because they are faster in software) rather than slower (because AES might be built into the

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC?

2008-06-29 Thread zooko
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:55 PM, David G. Koontz wrote: [Moderator's note: this seems to be much more about the open source wars and such than about crypto and security. I'm not going to forward replies on this topic that don't specifically address security issues -- those who were not

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC?

2008-06-15 Thread Peter Gutmann
David G. Koontz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: zooko wrote: US export control regulations prevent Sun from opensourcing the crypto portion of N2.. You've got to admit, that the work load for implementation is quite a bit higher without the PCI-E, 10GE MACs, and crypto, for a piece of competitive

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC?

2008-06-13 Thread zooko
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:35 PM, David G. Koontz wrote: There's the aspect of competition. I've also wondered if a reason they didn't release it is because they bought the 'IP' from someone. Those are good guesses, David, and I guessed similar things myself and inquired of various Sun

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC?

2008-06-13 Thread David G. Koontz
zooko wrote: On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:35 PM, David G. Koontz wrote: There's the aspect of competition. I've also wondered if a reason they didn't release it is because they bought the 'IP' from someone. Those are good guesses, David, and I guessed similar things myself and inquired of

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Crypto export restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Salz
I would expect hardware designs to be treated more like hardware than software. /r$ -- STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ - The

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Crypto export restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread John Gilmore
I would expect hardware designs to be treated more like hardware than software. A hardware design is not hardware. Only a naive parsing of the words would treat it so. A software design is not treated like software; you are free to write about how ATM machine crypto is designed, even if you

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Crypto export restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Salz
If only to make sure that there's no confusion about where I stand: I agree with you completely John. I am not surprised that the feds or Sun see it otherwise. /r$ -- STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Crypto export restrictions

2008-06-12 Thread Thierry Moreau
Richard Salz wrote: I would expect hardware designs to be treated more like hardware than software. That's an interesting observation, raising the issue of what is speech vs hardware. When I looked into this issue, I found the Common Criteria certification methodology as evidence

Re: Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Competition?

2008-06-12 Thread David G. Koontz
Lawerence Spracklen's Blog: http://blogs.sun.com/sprack/entry/detailed_t2_crypto_info Detailed T2 crypto info Very detailed info on the UltraSPARC T2 cryptographic accelerators can be found here on the OpenSPARC website (the pertinent info can be found in chapter-21 of the doc) Posted

Why doesn't Sun release the crypto module of the OpenSPARC? Crypto export restrictions!

2008-06-11 Thread zooko
Dear people of the cryptography mailing list: I received a note from Sridhar Vajapey, head of the Sun OpenSPARC programme, which releases a complete modern CPU under the GPL. Except that it isn't complete -- the parts that do AES, SHA-1 and SHA-2, and public key crypto acceleration are