Re: Digital signatures have a big problem with meaning

2005-06-07 Thread Rich Salz
Peter Gutmann wrote: Yup, see Why XML Security is Broken, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/xmlsec.txt, for more on this. Peter's shared earlier drafts with me, and we've exchanged email about this. The only complaint that has a factual basis is this: I don't want to have to

Hall of Shame of Unprotected Login Sites, and Phishing/Spoofing FAQ

2005-06-07 Thread Amir Herzberg
Many important, sensitive login sites are not protected, making it easier to steal passwords from naive (and even experienced) users. See `Hall of Shame` listing such sites at http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~herzbea/Shame.html Examples: Banks and FIs: PayPal, Chase, SmithBarney (CitiGroup), Bank of

Re: Digital signatures have a big problem with meaning

2005-06-07 Thread Ben Laurie
Ian G wrote: On Wednesday 01 June 2005 15:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian G writes: | In the end, the digital signature was just crypto | candy... On the one hand a digital signature should matter more the bigger the transaction that it protects. On the other hand, the bigger the

Re: Digital signatures have a big problem with meaning

2005-06-07 Thread Ben Laurie
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: That cuts both ways though. Since so many systems *do* screw with data (in insignificant ways, e.g. stripping trailing blanks), anyone who does massage data in such a way that any trivial change will be detected is going to be inundated with

[Clips] ECC registration is open

2005-06-07 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?

2005-06-07 Thread John Kelsey
From: Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 7, 2005 7:43 AM To: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED], cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ? [My comment was that better crypto would never have prevented the Choicepoint data leakage. --JMK]

Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?

2005-06-07 Thread Ian G
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 14:52, John Kelsey wrote: From: Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 7, 2005 7:43 AM To: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED], cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ? [My comment was that better crypto would

Re: [Clips] Citigroup Says Data Lost On 3.9 Million Customers

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Kaminsky
The likelihood of having the information compromised is very remote given the type of equipment that is required to read it, Debby Hopkins, Citigroup's chief operations and technology officer, said in an interview. Additionally, the information is not in a format that an untrained eye would even

[Clips] Christopher Hitchens: Terminal Futility

2005-06-07 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?

2005-06-07 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 05:41:12PM +0100, Ian G wrote: | | The difficulty here is that there is what we might call | the Choicepoint syndrome and then there is the | specific facts about the actual Choicepoint heist. | When I say Choicepoint I mean the former, and the | great long list of

Re: encrypted tapes (was Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?)

2005-06-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Perry E. Metzger writes: The truth is, the likely reason no one encrypted the data on the tapes in transit was because no one thought to do it, or they were too lazy to bother to make even the simplest effort, or both. I don't completely agree. While I suspect

Re: encrypted tapes (was Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?)

2005-06-07 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 07:48:22PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: It happens because some idiot web designer thought it was a nice look, and their security people are too ignorant or too powerless to stop it, that's why. It has nothing to do with cost. The largest non-bank card issuer in

Re: encrypted tapes (was Re: Papers about Algorithm hiding ?)

2005-06-07 Thread Mark Allen Earnest
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: The bigger issue, though, is more subtle: keeping track of the keys is non-trivial. These need to be backed up, too, and kept separate from (but synchronized with) the tapes. Worse yet, they need to be kept secure. That may mean storing the keys with a different