Re: [Cryptography] Perfection versus Forward Secrecy

2013-09-12 Thread John Gilmore
I wouldn't mind if it had been called Pretty Good Forward Secrecy instead, but it really is a lot better than regular public key. My point was that the name is misleading and causes people to look for more than is there. There doesn't seem to be much downside to just calling it Forward

Re: [Cryptography] Why prefer symmetric crypto over public key crypto?

2013-09-12 Thread Peter Gutmann
zooko zo...@zooko.com writes: I agree that randomness-reuse is a major issue. Recently about 55 Bitcoin were stolen by exploiting this, for example: http://emboss.github.io/blog/2013/08/21/openssl-prng-is-not-really-fork-safe/ Was that the change that was required by FIPS 140, or a different

Re: [Cryptography] Radioactive random numbers

2013-09-12 Thread Peter Gutmann
Dave Horsfall d...@horsfall.org writes: Given that there is One True Source of randomness to wit radioactive emission, has anyone considered playing with old smoke detectors? The ionising types are being phased out in favour of optical (at least in Australia) so there must be heaps of them lying

Re: [Cryptography] Radioactive random numbers

2013-09-12 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.comwrote: The attraction of methods that use nothing but a handful of transistors is that they can be fabricated on chip and thus have nearly zero marginal cost. The huge disadvantage is that if your opponent can convince chip

Re: [Cryptography] Radioactive random numbers

2013-09-12 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/11/2013 07:18 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: The attraction of methods that use nothing but a handful of transistors is that they can be fabricated on chip and thus have nearly zero marginal cost. The huge disadvantage is that if your opponent can convince chip manufacturers to introduce

Re: [Cryptography] Impossible trapdoor systems (was Re: Opening Discussion: Speculation on BULLRUN)

2013-09-12 Thread Ray Dillinger
On 09/08/2013 11:49 AM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: That said, your hypothetical seems much like imagine that you can float by the power of your mind alone. The construction of such a cipher with a single master key that operates just like any other key seems nearly impossible, and that should be

[Cryptography] NIST announcement about Dual_EC_DRBG

2013-09-12 Thread John Kemp
NIST strongly recommends that, pending the resolution of the security concerns and the re-issuance of SP 800-90A, the Dual_EC_DRBG, as specified in the January 2012 version of SP 800-90A, no longer be used. http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistbul/itlbul2013_09_supplemental.pdf - johnk

Re: [Cryptography] Matthew Green on BULLRUN: briefly censored

2013-09-12 Thread John Gilmore
http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/09/on-nsa.html Johns Hopkins University censored this exact blog post by Prof. Green, because of a complaint from its local defense contractor affiliated with NSA, the Applied Physics Laboratory

Re: [Cryptography] Radioactive random numbers

2013-09-12 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:06:00 -0700 Tony Arcieri basc...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like Intel's approach of using thermal noise is fairly sound. Is there any reason why it isn't more widely adopted? Actually, I think things like this mostly have been missing because manufacturers didn't

Re: [Cryptography] Radioactive random numbers

2013-09-12 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:06:35 -0400 Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: And this is the reason that I'd be in favour of diversity -- using sound cards, lava-lamps, etc, etc. Sources that don't explicitly identify themselves as the random number generator. As a practical matter, though,

Re: [Cryptography] Perfection versus Forward Secrecy

2013-09-12 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:00 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: There doesn't seem to be much downside to just calling it Forward Secrecy rather than Perfect Forward Secrecy. We all seem to agree that it isn't perfect, and that it is a step forward in security, at a moderate cost in