Re: Linus: Security is people wanking around with their opinions

2007-10-03 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| I often say, Rub a pair of cryptographers together, and you'll | get three opinions. Ask three, you'll get six opinions. :-) | | However, he's talking about security, which often isn't quantifiable! From what I see in the arguments, it's more complicated than that. On one side, we have

Linus: Security is people wanking around with their opinions

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Gutmann
For people who don't read LKML (or get interesting bits forwarded to them), there's a wonderful quote by Linus Torvalds about the difference between OS scheduler design and security design: Schedulers can be objectively tested. There's this thing called 'performance', that can generally be

Re: Linus: Security is people wanking around with their opinions

2007-10-02 Thread Ben Laurie
Peter Gutmann wrote: For people who don't read LKML (or get interesting bits forwarded to them), there's a wonderful quote by Linus Torvalds about the difference between OS scheduler design and security design: Schedulers can be objectively tested. There's this thing called

Re: Linus: Security is people wanking around with their opinions

2007-10-02 Thread William Allen Simpson
I often say, Rub a pair of cryptographers together, and you'll get three opinions. Ask three, you'll get six opinions. :-) However, he's talking about security, which often isn't quantifiable! And don't get me ranting about provable security Had a small disagreement with somebody at