Re: RNG quality verification

2006-04-12 Thread Max
Similar site aiming to detect defects in various ciphers and hashes: http://defectoscopy.com/ ...where block ciphers can be compared against stream ciphers, asymmetric ciphers and hash functions in their quality determined by the security of each individual component as well as their combination.

Re: RNG quality verification

2006-01-03 Thread Philipp Gühring
Hi, Ok, now I did the first test. I took OpenSSL, generated 1 RSA keys, and took them apart. First I analyzed the raw keys: -- ~~ ./ent RNGQA/openssl-keys-raw.random Entropy = 7.992782 bits per byte. Optimum compression would reduce the size

Re: RNG quality verification

2006-01-03 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Philipp Gühring wrote: I took OpenSSL, generated 1 RSA keys, and took them apart. First I analyzed the raw keys: Try this: Generate 256000 bytes from MD5(i), i=1...16000 and run the same tests. That is clearly not acceptable as a PRNG because it is completely predictable if you know that

Re: RNG quality verification

2006-01-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- John Kelsey wrote: To assess a cryptographic PRNG, you need to know two things: a. If it had a starting point or seed which was impossible to guess, would you be able to find any problems with its outputs? b. Does it get a starting point or seed which is impossible to guess?

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-23 Thread Peter Gutmann
Philipp =?utf-8?q?G=C3=BChring?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is wrong with the following black-box test? * Open browser * Go to a dummy CA's website * Let the browser generate a keypair through the keygen or cenroll.dll * Import the generated certificate * Backup the certificate together with

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-23 Thread Philipp Gühring
Hi Peter, Easily solveable bureaucratic problems are much simpler than unsolveable mathematical ones. Perhaps there is some mis-understanding, but I am getting worried that the common conception seems to be that it is an unsolveable problem. What is wrong with the following black-box test?

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-23 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philipp =?utf-8?q?G=C3=BChrin g?= writes: Hi Peter, Easily solveable bureaucratic problems are much simpler than unsolveable mathematical ones. Perhaps there is some mis-understanding, but I am getting worried that the common conception seems to be that it is an

RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread Philipp Gühring
Hi, I have been asked by to verify the quality of the random numbers which are used for certificate requests that are being sent to us, to make sure that they are good enough, and we don´t issue certificates for weak keys. The client applications that generate the keys and issue the

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread Alexander Klimov
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Philipp [iso-8859-1] G?hring wrote: I have been asked by to verify the quality of the random numbers which are used for certificate requests that are being sent to us, to make sure that they are good enough, and we don?t issue certificates for weak keys. Consider an

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:28:47AM +0100, Philipp G?hring wrote: I think the better way would be if I had a possibility to verify the quality of the random numbers used in a certificate request myself, without the dependence on the vendor. This is impossible. You don't see the raw random

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread Philipp Gühring
Hi Travis, The only thing is, you cannot test in randomness, That´s true, but I can test non-randomness. And if I don´t detect non-randomness, I can assume randomness to a certain extent. and it is an abuse of statistics to make predictions about individual events -- Wasn´t that one of

RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread David Wagner
Philipp G#ring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been asked by to verify the quality of the random numbers which are used for certificate requests that are being sent to us, to make sure that they are good enough, and we don´t issue certificates for weak keys. Go tell whoever wrote your

Re: RNG quality verification

2005-12-22 Thread Peter Gutmann
Victor Duchovni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:28:47AM +0100, Philipp G?hring wrote: I think the better way would be if I had a possibility to verify the quality of the random numbers used in a certificate request myself, without the dependence on the vendor. This is