Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
: [Cryptography] [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3-0ubuntu6 On Sun, 2013-09-08 at 13:27 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: - Forwarded message from James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com - On 2013-09-08 3:48 AM, David Johnston wrote: Claiming the NSA

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-08 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 03:00:39PM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: On 2013-09-08 1:25 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 08:34:53AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: Well, since you personally did this, would you care to explain the very strange design decision to whiten the

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-08 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-09-09 1:54 AM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 03:00:39PM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: On 2013-09-08 1:25 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 08:34:53AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: Well, since you personally did this, would you care to explain

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-07 Thread David Johnston
On 9/6/2013 2:03 PM, grarpamp wrote: Does anyone put any stock into the rumors floating lately that the government may have influenced Intel and/or AMD into altering However, I claim that the fear is well founded and should be taken into account by all threat models. It interesting to

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 1:48 PM, David Johnston d...@deadhat.com wrote: On 9/6/2013 2:03 PM, grarpamp wrote: ... However, I claim that the fear is well founded and should be taken into account by all threat models. It interesting to consider the possibilities of corruption and deception that

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-07 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-09-08 3:48 AM, David Johnston wrote: Claiming the NSA colluded with intel to backdoor RdRand is also to accuse me personally of having colluded with the NSA in producing a subverted design. I did not. Well, since you personally did this, would you care to explain the very strange

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-07 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 08:34:53AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: Well, since you personally did this, would you care to explain the very strange design decision to whiten the numbers on chip, and not provide direct access to the raw unwhitened output. You know as soon as anyone complained

Re: [cryptography] Random number generation influenced, HW RNG

2013-09-07 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-09-08 1:25 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 08:34:53AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote: Well, since you personally did this, would you care to explain the very strange design decision to whiten the numbers on chip, and not provide direct access to the raw unwhitened