Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-29 Thread Zooko Wilcox-OHearn
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to keep this thread going, but it cannot end with an open-ended threat... please, let's kill it off nice and proper. Hey, I don't want to waste anyone's time, including my own. If nobody is interested in

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-23 Thread Joachim Strömbergson
Aloha! CodesInChaos wrote: My argument concerning performance is that for long messages SipHash isn't actually significantly faster than (possibly round reduced) MD5, Skein, Blake2 etc. Do you have any pointers to benchmarks that show this? The SipHash paper shows significant performance

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-22 Thread CodesInChaos
My argument concerning performance is that for long messages SipHash isn't actually significantly faster than (possibly round reduced) MD5, Skein, Blake2 etc. The main selling point of SipHash is that it's faster than normal crypto hashes for short messages. Since ZFS almost always hashes long

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-22 Thread Zooko Wilcox-OHearn
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Schlacta, Christ aarc...@aarcane.org wrote: If any weakened algorithm is to be implemented, how can we know how weak is too weak, and how strong is sufficient? Each professional Cryptographer has given different opinions and all those at our immediate

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-21 Thread Joachim Strömbergson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aloha! Eugen Leitl wrote: The reason is purely for dedup and pretty much nothing else. As such, we only need a hash with a good pseudo-random output distribution and collision resistance. We don't specifically need it to be super-secure. The

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-21 Thread CodesInChaos
If that is all you want, have you considered SipHash? It is much faster than the other algorithms, yet more secure than CityHash, Murmurhash and friends. And it provides an IV/salt to make it per instance unique. Is SipHash really that fast in this context? AFAIK it's only much faster for

Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[cryptography] [zfs] [Review] 4185 New hash algorithm support

2013-10-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
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