Re: [cryptography] Doubts over necessity of SHA-3 cryptography standard

2012-04-13 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
Yes, when the SHA-3 process was launched—in the exciting time when MD5 and SHA-1 had been dramatically shown to be weak—it seemed like we were in danger of waking up one day and finding out that we had no strong hash functions left. It was prudent to get started on SHA-3 ASAP in order to have an

Re: [cryptography] Doubts over necessity of SHA-3 cryptography standard

2012-04-10 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
But as SHA-2 is still a pure Merkle–Damgård construction it deviates from an ideal pseudorandom function or random oracle in a couple of ways. Firstly, and most significantly, it is subject to length extension attacks. This means that given a hash value of some secret message, we can

[cryptography] Doubts over necessity of SHA-3 cryptography standard

2012-04-09 Thread Jeffrey Walton
http://h-online.com/-1498071 With a successor to Secure Hash Algorithm 2 (SHA-2) due to be crowned in the summer, questions are being asked as to whether a new cryptographic standard is really necessary. Hash functions, used to calculate short numbers from large data sets to allow the

Re: [cryptography] Doubts over necessity of SHA-3 cryptography standard

2012-04-09 Thread Marsh Ray
On 04/09/2012 07:00 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: http://h-online.com/-1498071 none of the five finalists are affected by known attacks on MD5, SHA-1 and SHA-2 and the Merkle-Damgård construction on which all three are based. Well, gee, isn't that enough? True, one thing we've learned from the

Re: [cryptography] Doubts over necessity of SHA-3 cryptography standard

2012-04-09 Thread ianG
On 10/04/12 02:40 AM, Marsh Ray wrote: On 04/09/2012 07:00 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: http://h-online.com/-1498071 none of the five finalists are affected by known attacks on MD5, SHA-1 and SHA-2 and the Merkle-Damgård construction on which all three are based. Well, gee, isn't that enough?